XJT "imploding"?

[COOPERVANE]

PBR called Brad H's plan since it was announced he was going to be at the helm many years ago.

So far he has been about 100% correct.

 

[Freebrd]

Correcto Copper! If this was any other industry except airlines BH would be history!

 

[PBRstreetgang]

PBR called Brad H's plan since it was announced he was going to be at the helm many years ago.

So far he has been about 100% correct.

You guys, as well as the Skywest guys are pawns in the Skywest gambit. There is something afoot, but since SGU has the meeting rooms swept for UAL/DAL bugs regularly, we won't know what is happening until it unfolds.

 

[Russ]

That IAH air going to your head PBR? BH is extremely smart and capable, not a popular opinion I know. I'm not sure what the final outcome is, but its has a guiding hand behind it, even if its to shut the place down over the coming years.

 

[XPOO]

FWIW, instead of sending SKW people to ATL to show the people there how its done, they are now sending people to SGU to observe how its done. Its hopefully a step in the right direction, albeit probably a small one.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

they are now sending people to SGU to observe how its done.

I remember when ASA sent middle management to CVG to learn from Comair "how it's done".

Result:

Departure Coordinators
(men in orange vests trying to coordinate the uncoordinatable)

Retractable Walkways
(mole tunnels; wind-whipped and torn, the rampers lost the keys within a week)

 

[PBRstreetgang]

That IAH air going to your head PBR? BH is extremely smart and capable, not a popular opinion I know. I'm not sure what the final outcome is, but its has a guiding hand behind it, even if its to shut the place down over the coming years.

Nope,
The air is just fine, little muggy at times, but OK! BH's best days were being a Metro Capt. He presided over the SKYW pilot group during a time of unprecedented growth, and almost unlimited pilot resources. Management by fear and decree only works when you have unlimited power and a like number of serfs. When the serfs move to another shire, and there is a decreasing number of them to till the fields, the lord begins to hunger. Anybody can run a business when there are unlimited resources, true managers and leaders shine when the times are hard and resources are lean. The SKYW promotion criteria of nepotism and favoritism is showing its shortcomings(no pun intended towards BH's verticality) BH will preside over some of the most nefarious corporate behavior ever devised, likely to be on par with Enron. He will be hated even more than Anita....

 

[Nevets]

FWIW, instead of sending SKW people to ATL to show the people there how its done, they are now sending people to SGU to observe how its done. Its hopefully a step in the right direction, albeit probably a small one.

They should just cut out the middle man and have SGU people do it from SGU. That would truly be a step in the right direction. But instead our boss rather be immoral and unethical so that he put more money in his picket at the expense of his employees.

 

[XPOO]

They should just cut out the middle man and have SGU people do it from SGU. That would truly be a step in the right direction. But instead our boss rather be immoral and unethical so that he put more money in his picket at the expense of his employees.

It will be, eventually. Just not the way YOU envision it.

 

[General Lee]

Wow, this is getting good! PBR in IAH should write this down and create a "Tuesday Night Movie" on TBS....


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Wow, this is getting good! PBR in IAH should write this down and create a "Tuesday Night Movie" on TBS....


Bye Bye---General Lee

Any you should lay off the pizza and Code Red Mt Dew, and BTW watching your mom take in the pooter isn't polite, no matter what noises she and "Uncle Steve" are making on the living room floor.

 

[Nevets]

It will be, eventually. Just not the way YOU envision it.

It wouldn't surprise me one bit if Jerry Atkin's lack of morals will put all of us workers out of a job just so that he can put more money in his back account. He is disgusting!

 

[enuffalready]

It wouldn't surprise me one bit if Jerry Atkin's lack of morals will put all of us workers out of a job just so that he can put more money in his back account. He is disgusting!

I hate the way Lasa is run as much you are disgusted with Lxjt but do you honestly think delta and united Pilots make more because their CEOs have more morals? We have basically zero leverage by design. The only leverage we have is what we are using now and that it has gotten so out of hand top to bottom that the majority are fed up and voted no while being threatened to shut er down

 

[Nevets]

I hate the way Lasa is run as much you are disgusted with Lxjt but do you honestly think delta and united Pilots make more because their CEOs have more morals? We have basically zero leverage by design. The only leverage we have is what we are using now and that it has gotten so out of hand top to bottom that the majority are fed up and voted no while being threatened to shut er down

Well, the same people are running both but I was talking about Inc and JA specifically. It's his decision to pay two for the cost of running two separate airlines and at the same time as us to take pay cuts, all so that he can put more money in his bank account. He can choose for all of us to play on the same team, pull in one direction, make profits for the corporation as one unit but his lack of morals allows him to sleep at night while he pits two of his employee groups against each other. Again, just so that he can put more money in his pocket while asking us to take concessions.

Mainline guys are still in concessionary contracts. But at least their CEO isn't asking them for concessions while their airlines are profitable. That's the heinous thing about JA. There is a special place for people like that.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

There is a special place for people like that.

SGU?
Avoiding the obvious? Ask yourself why he hasn't combined the 2 operations. And sent his number #1 enforcer to run you guys.
I will answer the unpopular answer, he has plans for you. Do you think that mother DAL and SGU are doing this whole thing by accident? According to Genny DAL is going to be hiring 60 per month for the next decade that's 700+ per year. Lets see, where are the 700 a year going to come from, every regional out there will be the warehouse that they draw from and all at 1st year pay.
The Regionals will be slowly drawn down until they cannot operate and their remaining pilots are unemployed and free to apply at a remaining regional or major operation, only to be hired at first year pay over and over again until they either give up or employed by a major. Make no mistake, they need pilots, but only want to pay as little as possible. The average pilots passion for flight will be exploited until there is no passion left. FUPM!

 

[Nevets]

SGU?
Avoiding the obvious? Ask yourself why he hasn't combined the 2 operations. And sent his number #1 enforcer to run you guys.
I will answer the unpopular answer, he has plans for you. Do you think that mother DAL and SGU are doing this whole thing by accident? According to Genny DAL is going to be hiring 60 per month for the next decade that's 700+ per year. Lets see, where are the 700 a year going to come from, every regional out there will be the warehouse that they draw from and all at 1st year pay.
The Regionals will be slowly drawn down until they cannot operate and their remaining pilots are unemployed and free to apply at a remaining regional or major operation, only to be hired at first year pay over and over again until they either give up or employed by a major. Make no mistake, they need pilots, but only want to pay as little as possible. The average pilots passion for flight will be exploited until there is no passion left. FUPM!

No, not SGU. Jerry Atkin has a special place for his immorality.

Now tell me something I don't know. And what does dal have to do with it and not UAL?

 

[PBRstreetgang]

No, not SGU. Jerry Atkin has a special place for his immorality.

Now tell me something I don't know. And what does dal have to do with it and not UAL?

Nev,
DAL is slightly more competent than UAL, and DAL has traditionally been more in tune with SGU. UAL has been a cash cow for SGU, but that's just business. I have been involved with Skywest for quite awhile and watch from the inside. I don't trust any of them, they are all playing this from the inside. Does anyone think that the regional model was created by the regionals?
We are dealing in a multi-billion dollar a year business, and to think that it is being run un-planned and with random consequences is more than a little foolish.
I am not a conspiracy theorist, but I am not a randomness believer either. Entropy may rule the universe, but business, even one as poorly run as the airlines have human intervention and when you combine humans and money/power there is ample opportunity for shennanigans. Ask why, Occams Razor will lead you to the answer, or close. If Jerry and the kids haven't combined the 2 airlines ask the question, WHY? Then select the simplest answer possible. They have plans, devine what you may from available information.

Your version of morality, just might be different from Jerry's.

This whole industry makes the Enron guys look like amatures. Look up UAL ESOP and the pensions.

Meet your future.

 

[General Lee]

SGU?
Avoiding the obvious? Ask yourself why he hasn't combined the 2 operations. And sent his number #1 enforcer to run you guys.
I will answer the unpopular answer, he has plans for you. Do you think that mother DAL and SGU are doing this whole thing by accident? According to Genny DAL is going to be hiring 60 per month for the next decade that's 700+ per year. Lets see, where are the 700 a year going to come from, every regional out there will be the warehouse that they draw from and all at 1st year pay.
The Regionals will be slowly drawn down until they cannot operate and their remaining pilots are unemployed and free to apply at a remaining regional or major operation, only to be hired at first year pay over and over again until they either give up or employed by a major. Make no mistake, they need pilots, but only want to pay as little as possible. The average pilots passion for flight will be exploited until there is no passion left. FUPM!

That's sorta close. Crew Resources just sent a memo out Friday stating 50 per month for the next 10-20 years. 600 is the supposed max per year due to internal trainings and upgrades etc.

Also, if you start at a Major, you start at first year pay. Just because you flew "DL or UA Pax" as an RJ pilot doesn't give you credit at mainline. That isn't how it works. Good thing is first year pay has gone up considerably, and movement due to retirements could lead to a larger plane 2nd year, meaning higher pay and better QOL sooner as people retire.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Freebrd]

That's sorta close.

You friggin' troll! You just have to comment on every damn thing huh. Who cares if the quote is close or not, WE (not you) know about the coming hiring at the majors. Thanks for playing Jenny Troll!

Also, if you start at a Major, you start at first year pay.

Duh, no shet dumbass! Geez you think we don't know that. You are definitely not a pilot. It's obvious with these stupid remarks you write, like the one below highlighted in red. What a troll!

 

[PBRstreetgang]

That's sorta close. Crew Resources just sent a memo out Friday stating 50 per month for the next 10-20 years. 600 is the supposed max per year due to internal trainings and upgrades etc.

Also, if you start at a Major, you start at first year pay. Just because you flew "DL or UA Pax" as an RJ pilot doesn't give you credit at mainline. That isn't how it works. Good thing is first year pay has gone up considerably, and movement due to retirements could lead to a larger plane 2nd year, meaning higher pay and better QOL sooner as people retire.



Bye Bye---General Lee

Reading comprehension not your strong suit huh? I guess the lithium increase and Adderall reduction wasn't good for your studies eh?
Nice try fatboy!