XJET advice for My buddy

[Superpilot92]

Advice for My buddy

Ok here is the dilemma. My buddy applied to XJET in Dec. and is waiting for a call. The dilemma is that he applied when he was at 1000+ hours and 90 multi in an airplane but he had 30 hours in a corporate sim where he is a regular filler for SIC positions at a well known training facility. He is 135 SIC certified in the aircraft. Well he was under the impression that he could use that time towards his multi time. He has over 100 hours multi flight time now. He has been hearing of people getting busted with applying with out the multi time. But with the sim (if its counted) and his twin time he had the 100 hours at the time of applying. What should he do? He is just worried about it and i dont know what to tell him. Anyone that might have any info or advice I would appreciate it. Thanks for any advice yall may have.

oh and for those of you that might think this is my situation i will clarify it now its not me, it really is a friend of mine.

Thanks to all.

 

[Scaramunga]

He should just askthe folks at XJT. With such low multi they are going to be looking closely at his logbook, I would imagine, so I'm sure they would notice the sim time. It's either acceptable or it isn't. Better to find out now, than after a trip to tropical IAH for the interview.

 

[Superpilot92]

That is exactly what i told him. However there really arent any phone numbers to call and ask questions like that. He really wants to work for ExpressJet and doesnt want to make anyone mad over there. The only number available is for people scout and they dont know either.

Thanks

 

[Wasted]

Does it matter since it meets the requirements now? Just make sure it is reported correctly in an update or at the interview. If anybody even notices, just explain what the misunderstanding on his end was.

 

[Vortilon]

IF they call your friend back, they'll have him do a flight time grid that asks for a more detailed analysis of his logbook. He'll also resubmit his resume. He can ask the recruiter at that time. It is not appropriate to call them at this point.

I'd put the sim time in a separate area on the resume if he thinks its shows value. Otherwise, keep it out of the real flight time totals in the logbook as it might cause problems later.

When I was low time, I had some 727 sim time and it was pretty tempting to bump up that multi time when it represents a double digit percentage increase! But its not real flight time and you don't want to misprepresent yourself. Gray areas in logbook = uncontrollable interview squirming.

Good luck to you and your friend!

 

[captjim]

Does it matter since it meets the requirements now? Just make sure it is reported correctly in an update or at the interview. If anybody even notices, just explain what the misunderstanding on his end was.

That is absolutly incorrect, that is grounds to be bounced. However his position is unique. He needs to speak with Dawn and explain the situation before he comes to interview, she will be able to give him the thumbs.

 

[Art Vandalay]

Why don't you try posting this thread in EVERY forum???????????? How many times must I read your idiotic posts?

 

[Superpilot92]

Why don't you try posting this thread in EVERY forum???????????? How many times must I read your idiotic posts?

Dont read them then you idiot!!!! Seriously how many times do we have to read your important posts. If you dont have any advice like everyone else on this post has had than dont bother. I am trying to help out a buddy. Wait you probably dont have any friends douchbag.

Thanks for everyone elses Helpful information.

 

[ATRedneck]

The FAA does not consider sim time to be flight time. Neither does XJT. If it's not off the ground, it's not flying.

Showing up for an interview with less than the minimums and not having your feces aggragated will get you sent home without setting foot in the interview rooms.

Trust me on this.

 

[SDCFI]

Sim time questions come up about once a month, or more, here. Sim time is just that, Sim. It is never PIC, SIC, SEL, MEL, or total time. It can be logged as dual received if an instructor is present and signs your book, but that's it. If your friend counted sim as total time and/or multi time he's either: 1) intentionally misrepresenting his time to meet the mins, or 2) ignorant of the FARs governing flight time logging, neither of which makes interviewers happy. Sounds like it was an honest mistake, so he should make the appropriate corrections to his logbook and tell XJET HR (before going anywhere for an interview) about it. If he's honest with them I would imagine they would tell him to re-apply when he does meet the mins and that would be the end of it. Just my thoughts though.

 

[Superpilot92]

Sim time questions come up about once a month, or more, here. Sim time is just that, Sim. It is never PIC, SIC, SEL, MEL, or total time. It can be logged as dual received if an instructor is present and signs your book, but that's it. If your friend counted sim as total time and/or multi time he's either: 1) intentionally misrepresenting his time to meet the mins, or 2) ignorant of the FARs governing flight time logging, neither of which makes interviewers happy. Sounds like it was an honest mistake, so he should make the appropriate corrections to his logbook and tell XJET HR (before going anywhere for an interview) about it. If he's honest with them I would imagine they would tell him to re-apply when he does meet the mins and that would be the end of it. Just my thoughts though.

Thanks for the advice. I will let him know. He isnt trying to mislead anyone thats why he has a second logbook he uses whenever he serves as the SIC at the sim training center. Its been almost 3 months for him anyway He should just reapply as soon as possible. It was an honest mistake by him.

CYA

 

[AviatorTx]

Tell him to call before he goes in. Be honest. My guess is that this time will not count for the app.

 

[flyguy81]

i thought you could log sim time as MEL and TT if it was a Class D sim...am i wrong?

 

[AviatorTx]

You can log what ever you want to. The question is, will what you log be accepted by your interviewer.

 

[ATRedneck]

It was an honest mistake by him.

This is gonna sound a little harsh, but the facts aren't always pretty.

Thousands of applicants manage to log time legally, fill out their time grids properly, and figure out the on-line application process. The recruiting department spends very little time worrying about applicants who don't. The ones who do it right are the ones who get hired.

I know it seems nit-picky, but that's part of the weeding-out process. With all other things being equal between qualified applicants, little things like that make a difference.

If your buddy messed up the application, then by all means he needs to be honest if he's called for the phone interview. But if he starts calling and advertising the fact that he screwed up then he's not going to be called in anyway.

 

[AirBoard]

Ok here is the dilemma. My buddy applied to XJET in Dec. and is waiting for a call. The dilemma is that he applied when he was at 1000+ hours and 90 multi in an airplane but he had 30 hours in a corporate sim where he is a regular filler for SIC positions at a well known training facility. He is 135 SIC certified in the aircraft. Well he was under the impression that he could use that time towards his multi time. He has over 100 hours multi flight time now. He has been hearing of people getting busted with applying with out the multi time. But with the sim (if its counted) and his twin time he had the 100 hours at the time of applying. What should he do? He is just worried about it and i dont know what to tell him. Anyone that might have any info or advice I would appreciate it. Thanks for any advice yall may have.

oh and for those of you that might think this is my situation i will clarify it now its not me, it really is a friend of mine.

Thanks to all.

Tell your friend to come to your place and do his own typing. Or go to the library and use theirs.

This post reminds me of the guy asking for his friend if the DUI he didn't disclose on the app will be bad - yeah right you're asking for a friend......

 

[B190Captain]

i thought you could log sim time as MEL and TT if it was a Class D sim...am i wrong?

No u are not.

But to completely rely on simulator time just to meet a minimum is pretty sad in itself.

 

[cfi on the fly]

I was looking at some of the interview sites last night for XJET and it looks like two guys from the last batch of interviews got sent home right away for this type of thing. One guy and like 99.1 hours of multi on the date he applied when they required 100. Had more than enough time the day of the interview, but they sent him packing anyway and apparently made an example of him. I'd get it figured out now instead of possibly wasting your friends time.

 

[Superpilot92]

Tell your friend to come to your place and do his own typing. Or go to the library and use theirs.

This post reminds me of the guy asking for his friend if the DUI he didn't disclose on the app will be bad - yeah right you're asking for a friend......

Once again a non productive post from the peanut gallery. Believe what you want to I could care less, my buddy asked me because he thought I might know. And I dont know anything about Sim time since I dont work for thing that remotely resembles a SIM. I am building my flight time up the old fashioned way by instructing. I could see that one might think that it was me this post is about but i can asure you its not. Believe what you want. Just trying to get useful advice that i could inform a friend with. Once again thanks for the advice.

 

[Rook]

A guy at my company was able to kiss some major A** in our training deptartment and flew as NFP in our 'D' sims. That's how he got the time to upgrade. Guess the system works cuz now he's on his way to JB. From what I gather, the interview crew at Jetlink is very specific when it comes to time. If you have any doubts, then dont count the sim time towards your total time. Good luck. They're a great company and my friends there love it.

Rook

 

[AirBoard]

Once again a non productive post from the peanut gallery. Believe what you want to I could care less, my buddy asked me because he thought I might know. And I dont know anything about Sim time since I dont work for thing that remotely resembles a SIM. I am building my flight time up the old fashioned way by instructing. I could see that one might think that it was me this post is about but i can asure you its not. Believe what you want. Just trying to get useful advice that i could inform a friend with. Once again thanks for the advice.

Here's to all of us peanuts out there. I have no producitve advice to give so I'll just amuse, entertain, and use up bandwidth.

 

[145 Lawndart]

My advise is you would do well to listen to what ATRedneck and CaptJim have to say!

I happen to know for fact that these guys are the real deal.