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BOOYA

BOOYA

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Just got a letter about $$ that Mesaba wants for my early termination. I was going to be on furlough soon enough, so I took an opportunity before my contract was up and before being on furlough.

They said I have 30 days or it goes to small claims court.

Any advice??? Who has 10+grand sittin around to had over without a fight???
 
Have you received a furlough notice yet? Do they have a document in their hands with your signature on it?
Call the alpa office in Bloomington on Monday...

Real classy people we work for, ay?

Worst case scenario, you settle with them out of court, but get off the nwa farm. Between a mgmt team that are clowns and stoolies for nwa, to a mainline pilot group that threw us under the bus with this sjet c-scale whipsaw, we are all fodder here. Get out and as far away from this as you can!

Or maybe they will call you next week, and ask if you want to go work at compass!
I can tell you two words our mec has for them and their 49 saab fleet fantasy world of costs 15% below Mesa: "Shut the F*** Up!
 
What do they expect you to do? After I left they had avro FO's sitting at home doing nothing for 4 months. Since I didn't collect perdiem and hotel costs, the total amount should be less, and not collecting my 8 grand for salary and health care costs, they most likely saved more money than they are asking from me. And I didn't collect unemployment from them.

But I suspose it's silly not to at least ask. That is if it doesn't matter to you to be THAT GUY! Everyone loves him.
 
Thanks, i was going to try to get ahold of this lady that I talked to before I left. She was real nice, unfortunately I forget her name. I think she may have been our ALPA lawyer.

If anyone has her name, PM it to me I would appreciate it.

She told me to call her if I ever had a problem. Thought that was nice since I'm no longer involved with alpa.
 
The general sentiment from the crewroom would tell you to rip up the letter, stuff the scraps in an envelope with F*CK OFF JINGLE PANTS on the front, and drop it off at the front door of the main office.
 
I was hired May 2005 and the package they sent me prior to training states the training agreement for F.O.s is $3,600 pro rated over one year. If your name was on that furlough list, I wouldn't even bother with that letter. I don't think that training agreement could stand up in court. I would talk to ALPA and see what they have to say.
 
Don't worry about bugging ALPA! You were on an ALPA contract when you left. Please call them and use them, they need to know about this crap, anyway. Also, it is very tempting to just ignore it, BUT if you do, and they go to court, and you do not go, then by default they will win, and then you will be in the deep doo doo. It's very hard to fix if they win a judgement by default. Call ALPA.
 
Call ALPA. Listen for the prompts for Mesaba MEC, then contract administrator. Leave a message if she isn't there.

800-NWA-ALPA
 
I have to agree with everyone else and suggest that you call the contract administrator. She's real tough, and really helped me when I had an issue with the company. She's usually really busy but answers all of her messages very quickly.

Just curious...how long ago was it when you quit?
Good luck.
 
I agree that its total B.S. However according to your post you left BEFORE you were furloughed and prior to the end of the training contract, so in front of a judge it may not go in your favor. You were not furloughed, you resigned. With that said I still think it's total B.S. since you were going to be furloughed anyway. Legally it might have been better for you wait for the furlough to avoid any confusion over the training contract.
 
Be a man and live up to your commitments. You signed a legal contract and YOU broke the terms of the contract. That makes YOU liable. Pay up.
 
BOOYA said:
Just got a letter about $$ that Mesaba wants for my early termination. I was going to be on furlough soon enough, so I took an opportunity before my contract was up and before being on furlough.

They said I have 30 days or it goes to small claims court.

Any advice??? Who has 10+grand sittin around to had over without a fight???
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Maybe I missed it but what furlough date were you scheduled to be on? What month did you resign? All that is important. Because if you quit before they even posted the furlough list, you could be screwed. You will either get a summons to appear in court or they will send it to a collection agency where they will make your life miserable and ruin your credit. The next time you want to get a loan for anything, you will either get denied or have to pay 25% interest on it. My advice would be the same as previously posted. Call ALPA. Although, you still might have to get your own lawyer. But even then, if you loose ( which is likely if you did sign the contract) you have even more to pay because of attorney fees. Whatever you do though, good luck.
 
It won't stand up in court since you were facing furlough anyway. However, if it does, you better hope XJ liquidates.
 
YourPilotFriend said:
It won't stand up in court since you were facing furlough anyway. However, if it does, you better hope XJ liquidates.
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I don't necessarily agree with that... If he did resign before officially getting furloughed, he may have tough fight on his hands... Resigning one day early might as well be the same as resigning 6 months early.
 
turbinesurgeon said:
I was hired May 2005 and the package they sent me prior to training states the training agreement for F.O.s is $3,600 pro rated over one year. If your name was on that furlough list, I wouldn't even bother with that letter. I don't think that training agreement could stand up in court. I would talk to ALPA and see what they have to say.
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not one cent burnit down
 
ABXpert said:
Be a man and live up to your commitments. You signed a legal contract and YOU broke the terms of the contract. That makes YOU liable. Pay up.
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ABXpert is Rhoid. Just a flamebaiter. I was gonna tell you guys to ignore him, but I see you already have.
 
Don't pay it! Even if they did take you to court (which is an empty threat) it would never hold up. When I interviewed with Air Whiskey they told us no contact there because it's all a bunch of B.S.-ie never hold up in court. Also a buddy of mine left lakes early, he just never returned the phone calls and after a while they quit bothering him. I also have the paper stating the contract is for $3,600 pro-rated, that company is f*cked up, whatever you do, don't pay.
 
I'm in training for a different company now, but my wife called the other day saying that I got a letter from XJ stating exactly what my training consisted of and the dates I completed etc.... I wonder if this is a precursor to some letter about how their going to enforce the contract on me? Has anyone else been given this letter? Like I said, I havn't read it in person yet. My case is a little different than BOOYA though - I was on the 2-15 involuntary furlough list. Certainly I'm safe from the dreaded Spangebob JinglePants!?! Good luck to all XJ Pilots!
 
5ontheglide said:
I'm in training for a different company now, but my wife called the other day saying that I got a letter from XJ stating exactly what my training consisted of and the dates I completed etc....
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Probably a copy of your PRIA report that was provided to your new carrier. I got one of those in the mail the other day too, but I'm still employed at XJ... moving on though.
 
signed a contract for a job......

this ABXpert, is a moron, i signed on at Mesaba as a pilot, not as someone to wait while they play fake contract and bankruptcy games with the people of the company. What the F@#$, oh did i say wait without pay, on furlough....oh and did i ever sign a contract...no....but maybe the new guys are....but i hope ALPA is doing a good job at protecting those who are getting screwed.

Oh, and i beleive....full pay till the last day,.......if i take a huge pay cut, i will resign after i leave a plane in an outstation......and walk home. what will i accept......mmm, the union just showed us their proposal......does this mean the best i can get out of this is a 6 % pay cut? WOW, i wish i could have gotten a good pay raise out of this deal, since in the last contract, is it not well known that we lest millions on the table all for scope? And that this what we are living in is a growth contract? why cannot we grow?


ABXpert said:
Be a man and live up to your commitments. You signed a legal contract and YOU broke the terms of the contract. That makes YOU liable. Pay up.
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ABXpert said:
Be a man and live up to your commitments. You signed a legal contract and YOU broke the terms of the contract. That makes YOU liable. Pay up.
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Oh yes being a man is loosing your job and not being able to take care of your family? Yeah I guess I pussed out and placed my family first and got another job that pays a little more and allows me the opportunity to provide more for my kids and spend a little more time at home. It must be nice to be flying heavy metal in the left seat . . . .. . . as for the rest of us trying to get started in the business dishing out thousand of dollars is alot of money.

I guess we know who THAT GUY is.


For the other Q. I quit a couple of months before my furlough date. My name was on the reduction notice and I couldn't pass up an opportunity for work


Thanks for the name and number
 
A buddy of mine that was an attorney prior to being hired here was talkin to me tonight... He freaked out about these training contracts as being a complete farce. I'm not a genius with legal terminology, but he said that he'd get that contract thrown out in any court as it restricts "learned/acquired trade", which I guess is illegal. So if you're furloughed and get hired somewhere else, then receive a letter from XJ about this, call an attorney... You'll get it thrown out fairly easily...
 
I told my C.P. when they were threatening us with this BS just before the furloughs took effect that I would honor the contract only if they honored it and continued to pay me for the full year of the contract. Otherwise the day they put me on notice of layoff I considered their end of the bargain broken. He agreed but said it was out of his hands.
 
BOOYA said:
For the other Q. I quit a couple of months before my furlough date. My name was on the reduction notice and I couldn't pass up an opportunity for work
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Then it won't hold up in court. The company already told you that they were not going to honor their end of the agreement when your name appeared on the reduction notice. It's just a scare tactic, hoping you are dump enough to pay them.

Let the company and ALPA contract administrators slug it out. But get a letter from the company stating that you have been released from the contract without penalty.
 

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