XJ - Pig in a poke

[mesaba2425]

Be a pig, be a pig, be a pig!!!

http://www.startribune.com/535/story/297163.html

 

[SEVEN]

Say No TO SPANDEX!!!

Say No To Spandex!

 

[SEVEN]

Be a pig, be a pig, be a pig!!!

http://www.startribune.com/535/story/297163.html

And this guy is our leader why? He can't even look you eye to eye when you are walking down the hallway in the training center. Can someone please tell me why he can't be replaced.

Sorry, but that picture just pisses me off.

 

[pitotstatic]

And this guy is our leader why? He can't even look you eye to eye when you are walking down the hallway in the training center. Can someone please tell me why he can't be replaced.

Sorry, but that picture just pisses me off.

The reason he is not replaced is because he is NWA's yes-man. Nothing of what is going on at XJ right now is decided upon by Mesaba ececs, it is all steered from the board-rooms over at NW.

NWA placed him there.

Pitot

 

[JanaBJana]

What exactly is a pig in a poke?

 

[xjlifer]

What exactally is a Jana-BJ-Ana?

 

[mesaba2425]

What exactly is a pig in a poke?

It's the game show that the Griswolds played in European Vacation.

 

[Axel]

What exactly is a pig in a poke?

Serious answer:

A "poke" is a word for "bag" used in rural areas. Therefore, buying a "pig in a poke" is something that you would buy knowing what it is, but know nothing about it beyond that.

 

[XJohXJ]

Basically, it comes down to an issue of fraud, deception, corruption. You buy your pig in a poke, thinking you've got yourself some nice pork for dinner, but when you get home, and open up the poke: Surprise! You've got a nice skunk or rat....

 

[Peter Brady]

It's the game show that the Griswolds played in European Vacation.

Ken, I believe the Pyramidials are a housing development just outside of Cairo......

 

[Simon Says]

LOL, Nice job again Tom.

So far, we work for "Carpet Baggers" and we are not "Buying a pig in a polk"

Those sayings crack me up.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

If XJ pilots, get their CBA rejected, and a strike is deemed legal, management will lose significant leverage in bankruptcy. They will dangle you guys a carrot shortly, what it is I don't know.

 

[kmox29]

What about this scenario?

NWA wants us to strike. They keep telling our Dear Leader to hold the line on that outrageous term sheet. Make these guys walk off the job. Then, we'll liquidate Mesaba and blame it on the pilots. We'll bring in some non-union regional and cover their flying. THEN, we'll look at Pinnacle and point both barrels of the concession gun at them and say, "Look what we did to Mesaba. You want some of this? Better fly cheap".

ALPA wants us to strike. The latest video from Woerth states we should watch Delta, Northwest, and Mesaba. He spends half the video on Mesaba. Talking about the sham bankruptcy, the poverty wages, etc.. I think he wants to have Mesaba "thrown under the bus" to test out the union's strike legality during bankruptcy. The result can be used to help Delta, Northwest, or whoever.

Personally, I can't wait to make NWA or ALPA happy.

 

[redflyer65]

What I don't understand is managements arguement about flying only 49 Saabs. What do they accomplish by locking you into low Saab rates only.

What happens if you'd agree, then out of bankruptcy they come back for a RJ 50-100 seat rate? Is that thrown into there current proposal? They can't argue it both ways. The bankruptcy plan should be for 49 Saabs, or 49 Saabs plus RJ rates now. Even though you have limited aircraft. Maybe I just don't know all the details.

 

[IHateMgmt]

What I don't understand is managements arguement about flying only 49 Saabs. What do they accomplish by locking you into low Saab rates only.

What happens if you'd agree, then out of bankruptcy they come back for a RJ 50-100 seat rate? Is that thrown into there current proposal? They can't argue it both ways. The bankruptcy plan should be for 49 Saabs, or 49 Saabs plus RJ rates now. Even though you have limited aircraft. Maybe I just don't know all the details.

Yeah, thats what it SHOULD be, but mgmt is conviently leaving the possibility of further RJ flying out of the discussions. Whenever it is brought up they claim that they are focusing on "securing our core (49 SAAB) business." What a bunch of liars.

 

[redflyer65]

Fine then, if thats the way they want to play it. Settle on the Saab rates, get out of bankruptcy, then just wait for them to ask you about flying a different plane. No bankruptcy protection to fall back on. It would be pretty good leverage for the pilot group. But a scenerio like that is a long way down the road. Just not sure why they are focusing on the 49 only proprosal.

 

[screwed_again]

If XJ pilots, get their CBA rejected, and a strike is deemed legal, management will lose significant leverage in bankruptcy. They will dangle you guys a carrot shortly, what it is I don't know.

...I know what it is, YOUR job!

 

[Yudso]

44-86 seat jet rates are already on the table.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

I'd put money on CRJ's (bigger than 50 seats) sitting in a hangar in Montreal right now painted, ready for delivery missing only the "operated by" sticker. Very soon after that shooty garbage NWA pilots are looking at passes then someone starts getting those CRJ's. (unfortunately it won't be NWA like it should be)

 

[wmudriver]

What I don't understand is managements arguement about flying only 49 Saabs. What do they accomplish by locking you into low Saab rates only.

What happens if you'd agree, then out of bankruptcy they come back for a RJ 50-100 seat rate? Is that thrown into there current proposal? They can't argue it both ways. The bankruptcy plan should be for 49 Saabs, or 49 Saabs plus RJ rates now. Even though you have limited aircraft. Maybe I just don't know all the details.

The term sheet they put infront of us had payscales all the way up to 110 seat jets(it could be 86 seats...not sure).

They keep trying to scare us with the 49 saab scenerio. They know we have an older pilot group. If we had 49 Saabs, they would have to furlough up to DOH '97-'98ish.

 

[Yudso]

1/27/06 term sheet has the 44-86 seat rates. Oddly enough the northwest ta mentions something about an 86 seat limitation.

 

[gnx99]

1/27/06 term sheet has the 44-86 seat rates. Oddly enough the northwest ta mentions something about an 86 seat limitation.

Yeah funny how all these number just happen to match up.....

 

[screwed_again]

The term sheet they put infront of us had payscales all the way up to 110 seat jets(it could be 86 seats...not sure).

They keep trying to scare us with the 49 saab scenerio. They know we have an older pilot group. If we had 49 Saabs, they would have to furlough up to DOH '97-'98ish.

1997 would be the bottom of the captain's list...