XJ getting 9E aircraft?

[xjhawk]

Okay for one stop the bashing, get a life. I will also say about the 9E planes from years ago. I have heard from mechanics that they were in terrible shape, and from a different mechanic, that they were not in bad shape. Who to beleive? The other thing, who was that guy who is telling pilots to make sure the paint matches on their planes? OKAY! So when my FO is preflighting, I will make sure that is one of his/her priorities! If its not matching, I will write it up as "looks stupid, cannot fly". Just knowing how NWA does not care about the looks of planes should prevent any bad comments towards a redtail pilot. I will say this, they are funny to look at. Some of us at XJ are rather fond of our Saabs, they gave me a job when all our jets left. And we should all know, keeping our job is a high priority. But what the future holds for anyone at a NWA regional is up in the air-good luck to us all is all I say

 

[XJohXJ]

For one thing, it would be silly for any airline to spend any money on paint until we've all determined what colors to use and whose logo to put on the tail. That'll take at least a year or two.

 

[piav8r]

For one thing, it would be silly for any airline to spend any money on paint until we've all determined what colors to use and whose logo to put on the tail. That'll take at least a year or two.

Wow... a post with common sense!

Yes it would be great to have all the airplanes lookin nice and "purty" but management isn't gonna spend a dime to swap out anything that isn't "necessary to make the flight depart on time."

 

[ChickenSled]

The other thing, who was that guy who is telling pilots to make sure the paint matches on their planes? OKAY! So when my FO is preflighting, I will make sure that is one of his/her priorities! If its not matching, I will write it up as "looks stupid, cannot fly".

Hey dum dum, that was me. My point was that you have two planes sitting side by side on the ramp with their nose cones mismatched and 3 mechs sitting down in the smoke hole just staring at them. Your mechs dont give a crap just as much as 9E mechs don't give a crap.

And for the record, I personally took one of those 15 birds up to CWA and it was in pristine shape. Not a thing wrong with it and it was the cleanest plane I've ever been in at 9E. Flew straight as an arrow.

I don't have anything personal against XJ guys, but you guys obviously have a deep rooted hatred for 9E. I can't walk from Popeyes up to ops without 2 or 3 of your guys giving me the evil eye. I know I'm fat and unattractive, but jees, the staredowns really get old. Would it really hurt you that much to nod your head or say hello?

BTW, where did Ralph go? He is one of the coolest guys alive. "How you doing my man"?

 

[MACH-TUCK]

Ah, how I've missed a good XJ vs. 9E thread.



9E went through a lot of growth and took on a lot of young pilots. Some were tools. Now Mesaba has hired like crazy. Some are tools. We've hired people well under 300 hours. Let's not talk too much smack.




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Remember KARMAS a BiT%h...I see all sorts of spiky haired, IPOD on, back pack wearing TOOLS at XJ now. Never used to see that before. I can just imagine some of those old school captains I know over at XJ having to fly with some newbie punk with 290 hrs total. I would love to be a fly in that flight deck when the FO wips out his IPOD.

As for the planes leaving 9E for XJ, rest be assured those will be the first 200's parked after the merger.

 

[Hulk Hogan]

The other 13 crj's originally scheduled to go to XJ were never delivered from the factory. The 15 from 9E were theirs hence the non XJ tail numbers

 

[Fly4PayNoMore]

Ask any mechanic on the line, they'd much rather take the time and fix an item...but the orders to defer everything comes from higher up. Those who drive operations have such a penchant for on-time departures, regardless of maintenance, weather, etc. that they have completely lost sight of overall customer service. I can also tell you, from personal experience, that this attitude is the same at both XJ and 9E...it's the same thing, just a different company name. Sorry to burst your bubble folks.

 

[TailHeavy]

Not to throw gas on the fire, but I seem to recall seeing 9E CRJ's with engine cowlings that don't match. I guess our MX isn't the only lazy ones. And to tradersltd. who looks at NWA CRJ200's on airliners.net. There are only 2 Liverys. Get outside a little if you were actually looking up N numbers.

 

[Mel Sharples]

I don't have anything personal against XJ guys, but you guys obviously have a deep rooted hatred for 9E.

That's a pretty big generalization. 50% of XJ pilots haven't been here long enough to know enough to hate 9E. :laugh:

I think there are some at each company who will never get over the other. Just the way management likes it.

BTW, where did Ralph go? He is one of the coolest guys alive. "How you doing my man"?

Still at XJ as a CRJ-900 captain. Never met anyone who had a more positive outlook on life than him. Great guy.

 

[Smarta$$]

I have nothing against Pinnacle in general. I was brought into the Mesaba fold years back when Pinnacle hating was required and expected, back in the day when Mesaba was hiring with a minimum of 1000 or more total and at least 200 multi. In the sim you'd get the 50 foot missed approach with the instructor acting as ATC saying "Pinnacle's on the runway, go around". It didn't help their cause planting one in Missouri and a few other screwups along the way. Hey, Pinnacle is Pinnacle.
Yes we have are tools now at XJ. I'm still not sure how anyone with 300 hours is competent to sit right seat carrying passengers. I've been single pilot a half dozen times now with newbees that are woefully behind the airplane. I am the last guy to bend someone over the sawhorse, 3 years of being a CFI taught me patience so I understand those that are a bit snarky, for lack of a better word, but when I have had to feathers ruffle, in the words of the great Steve Fuller in the Bears Superbowl Shuffle rap it has been with the greatest displeasure because frankly it sucks to rip someone a well deserved new one.
That being said, those CRJ-200 airplanes that XJ is getting now were originally XJ's airplanes back in 2005. We went bankrupt somehow and gave Pinnacle the planes. When we emerged last year new and improved the planes rightfully were returned back to us.
I do wish you guys well Pinnacle, because I know hard times abound for all of us. I just have a problem with those that don't know the history of this situation.
I've been kicked out of one airplane, displaced, furloughed,forced to sit in Notown amongst crack whores and pimps for three months last year on reserve for no good reason so I've grown a bit grumpy.
Anybody spouting off about XJ getting back their aircraft needs a reality check. Isn't that the purpose of this forum?

This is fricken hilarious! This dude is dog'n on people for not knowing their history, and he has no clue himself.

Pinnacle had those 15 CRJ's delivered and in operation BEFORE xj won the award for their 15. It just so happens that number 3-15 were never even built.

Those 15 jets were ordered for 9E. They were ours and were never intended for xj. Until the BK.

Tool.

 

[Tank Commander]

I'm drinking a Guiness and had a few shots of Tequila. I've read this thread form the beginning and have one question. is this about which (9e or xj) one sucks the most or not. They both suck! I like pilots not Corp. names. I have a loyalty to my fellow pilots. No matter what airline they fly for. I will not push from the gate knowing there is a fellow pilot needing a ride home being left behind. Whip-sawing occurs because you let it. Who cares. If my job at 9e ends, I'll go get another. If bad things happen to my company due to miss management and good things happen for another thats fine. Then my company lost a great pilot group, and another will benefit from it.

 

[Flyprdu]

Nicely put. Way to go TD.

 

[ChickenSled]

That's a pretty big generalization. 50% of XJ pilots haven't been here long enough to know enough to hate 9E. :laugh:

Ha, that is good stuff my friend. That is the same problem here, about 1/3 of the pilots haven't been here long enough to know that they should hate 9E. If Pinnacle could, they would fire every pilot after 11 months and then all of Devil Whites memos would actually have some gas.

 

[xjhawk]

Hey dum dum, that was me. My point was that you have two planes sitting side by side on the ramp with their nose cones mismatched and 3 mechs sitting down in the smoke hole just staring at them. Your mechs dont give a crap just as much as 9E mechs don't give a crap.

And for the record, I personally took one of those 15 birds up to CWA and it was in pristine shape. Not a thing wrong with it and it was the cleanest plane I've ever been in at 9E. Flew straight as an arrow.

I don't have anything personal against XJ guys, but you guys obviously have a deep rooted hatred for 9E. I can't walk from Popeyes up to ops without 2 or 3 of your guys giving me the evil eye. I know I'm fat and unattractive, but jees, the staredowns really get old. Would it really hurt you that much to nod your head or say hello?

BTW, where did Ralph go? He is one of the coolest guys alive. "How you doing my man"?

Seriously, one of the points to my post was to stop the hate. I know pleanty of guys at XJ that have the same opinion of 9E as me, I judge you individually, not by your company-period. I do know people that are idiots that do not have a high reguard for you just because you are a 9E pilot. That said, I am sure you have the same at 9E-sounds like you are one of them. I say this why? Because you do not get a "hi" from a guy walking to get food? or going home? I do not sday hi to many at the airport. If I have flown with the person, recognize them or just make accidental weird eye contact i might say hi. That said, if I do not say hi, guess what, I do not hate you. Well maybe you-oh I must say, just because people are out to get you, does not mean you have to be paranoid- did i get that joke right?

 

[WMUSIGPI]

I have more classmates/friends working at Pinnacle than I do at Mesaba thanks to the sham bankruptcy/furlough. It's a shame but the way this industry currently is. It in no way means one is better than the other. It just means people shuffled to where the jobs were at the time.

 

[xjhawk]

exactly, if 9E would have been hiring before XJ, I would have applied there and took the job if offered. And I might add this, if I were at 9E for the last five or so years, I would have made more money there than at MEsaba. And some say that with the number of a/c we have, we should have "snap backs" to our old pay, but I do not see it, I still say that our rates are crap, but there is nothing we can do about it

 

[Terry Hunter]

It was very commendable of how Pinnacle pilots supported Mesaba pilots during the 2004 contract. There were several who walked the lines with XJ pilots.

I personally hope Pinnacle gets are really solid TA - it helps raise the bar for all.

And for who said that we should just like pilots, not the company they current work for, that's exactly right. Kind of like baseball players... in between all the action, they are mostly friends.

Last thing in regards to not "nodding" at you in the terminal, like hawk said, don't take it personally. Many Mesaba people don't even acknowledge Mesaba people... LOL at the "wierd eye contact"

 

[PCL_128]

Amazing. Even though most of us that were there years ago are long gone, the same lame-ass arguments between XJ and 9E continue. I proudly walked the line with XJ pilots on multiple occasions. I got treated great by your pilots on the commute from CAK for my first few years at the 'Nickel. And Tom Wychor is one of the finest people I've ever met. I've got nothing against XJ, and I never did. All of you XJ and 9E newbies need to wise up and think the same way. You should have no grudge to bear against each other.

 

[prtyprtyprncss]

BTW, where did Ralph go? He is one of the coolest guys alive. "How you doing my man"?

Ralph's still here...on the CR9 as captain now...you're right, he's a great guy! And the stare downs work both ways...I never pass another pilot without nodding or saying, "hi"...but many times as not they look away or at the floor...and I'm not fat (yet) or ugly...I'm a pretty pretty princess!! We all just need to unite and fight the power! All this oppression from the airline man is taking it's toll...the man must be brought low!

 

[Flyprdu]

Ok, with all this love spreadin' going on around here- I'll join in.

Next time you see me under B, I'll be the one with the high five waiting... "I feel the need!.."
..the rest will be up to you.