XJ fly Dojets in CVG

[OPECJet]

I thought they were either DOJets, or Door Knob Jets.

 

[General Lee]

Careful---Rotorhead will bite your head off if you call it that....

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[OPECJet]

Uh oh......

 

[C425Driver]

Cholesterol Jet - they clog up the whole system!

 

[46Driver]

Actually, we call it the DoJet..... From what I heard, Delta and DALPA's scope clause said Delta can not ACQUIRE a DCI carrier who has aircraft bigger than 70 seats - it does not prohibit what would happen with a carrier ALREADY working for Delta that later begins to operate those greater than 70 seat jets. Wherever there's a will, there's a lawyer and a way.....

Interesting thing is nobody wants the DoJets. ACA is trying to unload them on Delta, while Delta can not find anybody to fly them due to the maintenance issues as well as training costs for the crews. Most of the DoJet pilots want to go to Independence as well.

DALPA would have to be out of its mind to try and fly them with furloughed mainline pilots - Delta is already bleeding red ink profusely.

My money is that ACA, Delta, and DALPA will maintain the status quo.

 

[ShadowFlight]

Interesting thing is nobody wants the DoJets. ACA is trying to unload them on Delta, while Delta can not find anybody to fly them due to the maintenance issues...

Huh?

Skyway likes flying the DoJet so there is at least one operator who wants those jets and the contract.

 

[AirBoard]

Huh?

Skyway likes flying the DoJet so there is at least one operator who wants those jets and the contract.

Really. At what cost, because it will cost SKyway.

Fact - ACA has a power by the hour agreement for our hopeless P&W 306B's of ~$50/hr. You replace ACA and that's gone - P&W will start charging something much more realistic like $200/hr or 400% MORE. Great deal!

FACT. Delta has a 10 yr agreement with ACA. If cancelled for any reason they pay an early termination fee - is Skyway offering to pay this. The scope issue is between the pilots and DAL.

This whole thread just outlines why ACA will keep the Dojets. By the time everyone works something out 6 years will go by and our contract will end anyway. As far as DALPA goes - General you know as well as I do. The pilots will grieve it and it will be deadlocked. From there it will go to Systems Board Mediation where it will deadlock again - the company will play the we're bleeding money card, you'll pull the furloughed pilot card. Years will pass and it will make more sense to just let the contract lapse.

ACA will be flying the Velcro jet for 6 more years. You can tell this to all Comair, Skyway etc pilots.

 

[AirBoard]

Interesting thing is nobody wants the DoJets. ACA is trying to unload them on Delta, while Delta can not find anybody to fly them due to the maintenance issues as well as training costs for the crews. Most of the DoJet pilots want to go to Independence as well.

My money is that ACA, Delta, and DALPA will maintain the status quo.

ACA is trying to unload them - really????? Then why is TM stating how we're keeping them. If we wnat to get rid of them, they better come clean with the pilots because there WILL be more furloughs. My understanding was they wanted to keep them and the preverbial ball was in DAL's court.

The last statement is totally true, however.

 

[46Driver]

Conjecture on my part. As a pilot, I love the DoJet: sweet avionics and outstanding performance (top speed notwithstanding).

From a management perspective, you would want to simplify the fleet (pilot training, admin, maintenance, parts, etc) and would want to get rid of an aircraft that has limited maintenance support from the manufacturer. From what I heard, we are only making a minimal profit. When ACA let the ACJet certificate expire, and furthermore continued to cancel flights due to lack of crews, I took that as a sign we could care less about the Delta Connection flying.

 

[jobear]

Interesting thing is nobody wants the DoJets. ACA is trying to unload them on Delta, while Delta can not find anybody to fly them due to the maintenance issues as well as training costs for the crews. Most of the DoJet pilots want to go to Independence as well.

DALPA would have to be out of its mind to try and fly them with furloughed mainline pilots - Delta is already bleeding red ink profusely.

My money is that ACA, Delta, and DALPA will maintain the status quo.

I thought I'd toss some more confusion in here, Skyway is Actively pursuing the DAL flying, DAL or a represenative from them has visited Skyway and our Maintenace Department,Skyway doesn't require furloughed pilots to give up there senoirty numbers to fly at Skyway. I can also confirm that NO-ONE in management here is saying SQUAT and for pilots thinking of going elsewhere it is torture.
I'm sure DAL MEC has also been in contact with the SYX MEC also any thoughts ........
Bear

 

[BS'er]

Ill second Jobear

Yes Skyway wants the jets and has been in negotiations with Delta

Skyway launched the DoJo ( just for you general) and has the same agrement with pratt for the power by the hour engine contract. I dont know the dollar amount per hour but since we have the first Production DoJOs in the world these contracts were negotiated before the reliability issues with the PW306B was known. How could Pratt not honor the contract just because we start buying more engines.?

BS

 

[metroplex]

pratt will do anything to keep some kind of contract. if they do not continue working under the current contract (for ACA) there might be a chance that the jets get canned all together and pratt will be loosing money . it is in pratts biggest interest to have someone fly aircraft with their engines. who it may be , I don't know. Avcraft is starting production of the DO328-300 in the 3. quarter of 2004 and will require PW 306b engines.I know that skyway is working hard on getting the delta deal, it might work out. with the currents payrates there is nobody out there who can match them (thats how low they are) therefor skyway can offer delta to fly 328s for "very cheap".