XJ fly Dojets in CVG

[flyn96]

Heard that Mesaba may be flying Dojets in CVG for Delta. Makes sense, already have crew base and mx facilties there. All you would have to do is train the crew.

 

[AirBoard]

Heard that Mesaba may be flying Dojets in CVG for Delta. Makes sense, already have crew base and mx facilties there. All you would have to do is train the crew.

Sure it makes sense but it still won't happen. Delta has got much bigger issues to deal with then where 30 DLC jets (of 300??) go. Sure there's the scope issue with the pilots but I think Delta will get a waiver for the near term - they're asking for concessions from them remember. Delta will also take a big hit on early contract cancellation and the new company will be hit by huge engine contracts from P&W (we have very favourable terms which P&W would love to get out of). This will cost Mesaba maintenance.

Bottomline - by the time everything takes place that could replace us, enough years will pass that it will make sense for our contract to just lapse. ACA has 6 years left and it would much cheaper for Delta to just ride it out. The only reason people are talking of getting ACA out is due to a Delta pilot scope issue - otherwise there's nothing preventing us from still keeping the Dojets. Cancelling our contract will cost a lot of money and maintenace will cost the new company a lot. Delta is still losing money, they don't want another cost that is somewhat controllable to bite them. They'll ask the pilots for a waiver around the scope while they continue to ask for concession.

 

[General Lee]

They actualy have to negotiate first---and they are currently unwilling (management). If they continue the hard stance, we will probably say no to the Dojo request. (Then our furloughs can fly them...???) They just sold 5 777 future orders, but just bought 25 RJs for ASA......Oh yeah, they are "self financing...." Does that mean they are free? No---they still add to the debt. I doubt we will give them free Dojos---we will get something out of them. (maybe all of the FO slots go to furloughs....)

Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[cathal]

I can almost hear NWA laughing at the XJ person who suggests that we try (again) to do any flying outside of our agreement with them.
Be realistic. We'll have frieght Saabs before we fly for another carrier.

 

[rptrain]

I doubt we will give them free Dojos---we will get something out of them. (maybe all of the FO slots go to furloughs....)

General,

I hate to start fanning the flames, but those airplanes are already flown by ALPA pilots (yes, even in the right seat). Would you really negotiate to steal jobs away from others? Two furloughs (wrongs) don't make a right.

 

[chperplt]

Would you really negotiate to steal jobs away from others?

Stealing jobs from who? Once ACA takes delivery of the bus they violate their contract with DAL. Delta then cancels the contract, per the contract. Then, per the contract, DAL inherits those aircraft.

So whose stealing jobs?

 

[rptrain]

chperplt,

If I'm not mistaken, we're talking about DALPA giving scope relief so that ACA can continue to operate the airplanes once the airbuses show up on property. If I understood the General correctly, he's saying, "OK, but it'll cost you. Let our furloughs fly right seat." Seeing as those right seats are already filled... well, you do the math.

I am waiting for the General's response to see if that's what he really meant.

 

[General Lee]

rptrain,

First of all, I am not a negotiator and I am not on the Dalpa MEC.
In reality, I don't know exactly what Dalpa would do. This is all my opinion. As for kicking off ACA pilots to put our furloughs in the right seat, I never said that. I was going under the assumption that you guys would lose your Dojos, and Comair would get 33 EMPTY aircraft.......If they would get 33 EMPTY aircraft, I would hope that our furloughs would be able to occupy the right seat. I would never want any of our pilots to displace any of your pilots. I don't know what would happen, and I wonder what the ACA pilots would do if they had the choice---go with Indy or stay with the Dojos and go to Comair? Again, I would never want any of our furloughs to displace any other pilots from another airline. Also, Dalpa hasn't said anything yet about giving the company relief in the form of ACA keeping the Dojos.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[skiddriver]

Heard that Mesaba may be flying Dojets in CVG for Delta. Makes sense, already have crew base and mx facilties there. All you would have to do is train the crew.

I don't believe they have a crew base in CVG, and the maintenance hangar changed hands to a freight operator about 6 months ago and Mesaba no longer does maintenance in CVG. Nice troll however.

 

[SkywayFO]

Well this is what I have read. And I will say that I could be wrong. I have been wrong before, at least that is what my ex-wife will tell you. I believe that ACA can operate the DoJets and the Busses under the current agreement with Delta. The issue is that if Delta allows them to then Delta is in violation of there contract with the Delta pilots. Anyone seen or heard this. Either way I think there is some sort of an issue with all this. Some one is screwing someone without lube. Either way it will be a long time till I get called back and get a seat in a bus.

 

[saabingitagain]

Re: Re: XJ fly Dojets in CVG

I don't believe they have a crew base in CVG, and the maintenance hangar changed hands to a freight operator about 6 months ago and Mesaba no longer does maintenance in CVG. Nice troll however.

Actually we do have a crew base in CVG. About 30 Avro crews. However, I would be very surprised if we got any DL flying. Under the NW contract XJ cannot fly for any other carrier. However, BigSKy could.. if they made them 19 seaters..

 

[xjavro85]

We do have a crew base in CVG as well as the mx hangar, who said it went to a cargo outfit?!?! THe only thing we lost there was the c-checks. I heard yesterday that the XJMX union won the grievance over that and the heavy checks will go back in house at CVG. 'Bout time a union fought back to the company. Bigsky could fly the Dojets with more than 19 seats as long as XJ pilots fly them Ain't scope great.

 

[DDpaysoff]

Bigsky could fly the Dojets with more than 19 seats as long as XJ pilots fly them Ain't scope great. [/B]

Yeah, is it the same great scope that says AMR eagle must do all feeder flying to AA aircraft? Scope doesn't exist for you, me anybody. It is a myth, another tulip craze.

 

[mesaba2425]

I heard yesterday that the XJMX union won the grievance over that and the heavy checks will go back in house at CVG. 'Bout time a union fought back to the company.

Yep. ALPA had their chance and failed miserably.

 

[j41driver]

... Dojo ...

Dojo? That's just retarded.

 

[General Lee]

J41driver,

Sorry, but that is the designator---just like the Dornier 328 prop is the "Door knob" or "Dork." Get used to it.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[GogglesPisano]

I prefer "DarnNearajet"

 

[Rotorhead]

[Sorry, but that is the designator---just like the Dornier 328 prop is the "Door knob" or "Dork." Get used to it.

Bye Bye--General Lee [/B]

Thanks for the info, I am glad you know so much about the airplane I fly.

Call it what ever you want but dojo is not the "designator" for the 328 Jet.

 

[General Lee]

Rotorhead,

Please notice that I called the Do 328 prop the "Door Knob" and "Dork"---I was joking. Can you come up with a name for your Dojo? I'm waiting... How about "Slow-mo" ? How about "great climb-o but very slow-o"? Relax. The 757 is known by some as the "Jamie Lee Curtis." (long thin body, tight arse --small apu exhaust hole in rear, and big jugs --engines) But, I saw that lame movie "Freaky Friday" while Dead heading a couple months ago and I would not classify her that way anymore.....Maybe we should call it the "Heather Locklear" now...

Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Rotorhead]

Actually for all I care you can call it a plastic, velcroed piece of crap. That just doesn't roll off the tongue very well.

I didn't design it or buy it. I just have the misfortune of operating it.