Xe + ev = 1

[ASA Captain]

Frankly, the skywest pilots don't have any say in this at all. The have no union and the company didn't buy anyone.

I hadn't thought about the Comair deal and possible liquidation. Nice bone to keep those guys non-union. JA wins again.

 

[ASA Captain]

Come to think of it, if all the deliveries (stolen) from Comair or Mesa actually happen and they go to SKW, I will be first in line to file a lawsuit for the three way merger.

Two can play this game!!

 

[damnflyboy]

Come to think of it, if all the deliveries (stolen) from Comair or Mesa actually happen and they go to SKW, I will be first in line to file a lawsuit for the three way merger.

Two can play this game!!

I'll drop a Benjamin in your mailbox to help defray the cost...that is, if we get our mailboxes back. (?)

"SkyWest has the capital to re-fleet ExpressJet “over the next several years,” Rich said. “We’re well positioned to re-fleet, grow the fleet and move into new aircraft types as warranted.”"
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_channel.jsp?channel=comm&id=news/avd/2010/08/05/02.xml&headline=SkyWest%20Sees%20Fleet%20Synergies%20With%20Merger

Then again, SkyWest pilots might want that single list afterall.

 

[Wasted]

Come to think of it, if all the deliveries (stolen) from Comair or Mesa actually happen and they go to SKW, I will be first in line to file a lawsuit for the three way merger.

Two can play this game!!

There won't be any kind of one list until the Skywest pilots want it as well. The best way to make the Skywest pilots want a union is for them to realize they just got whipsawed. Whether it be ASA taking a cut and getting the work instead, or Skywest pilots taking a cut for the work. Either way, if management plays this game, they should realize that the next step will be that they lose their precious non-union Skywest to ALPA. Management will have to tread carefully here. The whipsaw can backlash against them as well. Two can definitely play this game. Pilots need to realize what their leverages are.

 

[maxcackel]

This is very true, the Skywest pilots just got their balls squeezed by JA. The whipsaw was to give ASA the 10yr Continental contract with growth and Refleet plans and a very powerful pilot group due to size.

 

[ASA Captain]

But if the rumors turn true, SKW guys will get more airframes to appease their whipsaw anger.

They didn't really get whipped. Inc. just had to do the deal this way because of the XJT merger clause. It's not like JA dangled the prior deal over their heads and forced them into a paycut.

We at ASA know the whip. We were beat with it numerous times and with a smile while they did it. Remember Inc. doesn't need to whipsaw SKW pilots. They just don't get a seat at the table. The company can do what it wants when it wants.

There is some power with a huge pilot group (4300) but it is limited by the transfer threat. Even with the transfer protections afforded in the ASA contract they can still take aircraft, they just have to take some pilots with them. Thanks, but no thanks to that bridge to nowhere.

 

[damnflyboy]

I also think it was terrible that ASA went through 2 waves of furloughs when SKW didn't furlough a single pilot. Something very fishy about that.

 

[ASA Captain]

Trying to think of a way to get the SKW guys to come to the table. How can we urge them to get in the game?

Contract talks should focus on locking in a great percentage of acquired aircraft. Let's say 66%. Sounds fair. You SKW guys don't like it, get in the game.

Now to craft language that binds Inc. into dishing out new aircraft to EV/XE. Hmmm.

 

[Nevets]

"SkyWest has the capital to re-fleet ExpressJet “over the next several years,” Rich said. “We’re well positioned to re-fleet, grow the fleet and move into new aircraft types as warranted.”"
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_channel.jsp?channel=comm&id=news/avd/2010/08/05/02.xml&headline=SkyWest%20Sees%20Fleet%20Synergies%20With%20Merger

Then again, SkyWest pilots might want that single list afterall.

He didn't say who would get those aircraft though. I'm sure Inc will use this to whipsaw again unless we scope ALL these aircraft in plus the 30 other 35 seaters CAL pays leases for.

 

[ASA Captain]

The whipsaw will come. We at EV did a fair job of protecting ourselves and have grown as well.

The 4300 member group will certainly have an impact on the bottom line and as a unified group, we will be able to do the same.

 

[RJLoser]

Trying to think of a way to get the SKW guys to come to the table. How can we urge them to get in the game?

Contract talks should focus on locking in a great percentage of acquired aircraft. Let's say 66%. Sounds fair. You SKW guys don't like it, get in the game.

Now to craft language that binds Inc. into dishing out new aircraft to EV/XE. Hmmm.

They need to stay away from the table. Skyw pilots will come out on top. They are JA's baby. A union will do nothing but hurt them.

 

[ASA Captain]

Let them stay away from the table. When we negotiate for them and sign a deal for a majority of any growth at the corporation, they will wonder what hit them.

This deal is big money, especially if JA gets PBS on both EV and XE. To let the deal blow up over contractual issues related to seniority would be very costly. A lawsuit dragging it all out would be very costly.

A nice deal securing assets and growth for the new EV/XE would seal up the deal quite nicely.

 

[skootertrash]

Let them stay away from the table. When we negotiate for them and sign a deal for a majority of any growth at the corporation, they will wonder what hit them.

This deal is big money, especially if JA gets PBS on both EV and XE. To let the deal blow up over contractual issues related to seniority would be very costly. A lawsuit dragging it all out would be very costly.

A nice deal securing assets and growth for the new EV/XE would seal up the deal quite nicely.

Wow, you really don't have a clue how things work do you. Considering a contract won't pass on this side we'll be stuck for years. Then once we finaly do our 2600 pilots will vote out your 1650 and take over. If 1/2 the asa guys are like you I'd say you've got it coming.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Wow, you really don't have a clue how things work do you. Considering a contract won't pass on this side we'll be stuck for years. Then once we finaly do our 2600 pilots will vote out your 1650 and take over. If 1/2 the asa guys are like you I'd say you've got it coming.

Does everyone agree with you?

Originally Posted by blastoff
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I think you are too easy to discount the fact that most XJT pilots are ready to move on from the broken promises of the once great XJT. ASA is a good company and you seem to like your CEO, so most guys are keeping it in perspective. This deal will go through and I think most will be happy with it no matter what the list looks like.

I know you like to keep emphasizing that you're doing the buying. That's fine, but has no bearing on SLI.

Originally Posted by Jetlinker
Agreed. Most XJT pilots are glad this thing is going through. This place isn't half of what it used to be. There's no reason this has to turn into a pis$ing match.

 

[skootertrash]

Does everyone agree with you?

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Of course not. But guys like me are just starting to peel away the onion of your pilot group and contract. Nothing personal, but the smell gets worse and our eyes water more with each layer. Benefits.....OMG, I can't believe how crappy they are....it'll take thousands more from each family's pockets. The pay is comenserate but he work rules are horrible. The wording of your contract and LOA's are what we had under contract 97. We've been dealing with a crap situation here. What we've found is when the times get tough, management will do everything and anything to cover their own arses. With escape clauses in the wording you have they can walk all over you QOL. You talk about how great your PBS system is, but you've yet to even turn it on! You've given up your vacation touching which for us WILL mean working an average of an extra 24 days a year for a guy with 4 weeks of vacation just to get the same amount of pay! Your sick time acrual is dismal, vacation acrual is worse. At this point I'd rather you didn't buy us, we take pay cuts and keep the company afloat on our own. Because taking a bit out of YOUR shiit sandwhich is slightly less appealing than making our own!

 

[ASA Captain]

Hey skoot, RTFP.

I am talking about the SKW guys, not XJT.

 

[skootertrash]

Hey skoot, RTFP.

I am talking about the SKW guys, not XJT.

Whoops, my bad. Sorry.

 

[ASA Captain]

And btw,
4x7=28

70(vacation low)-28=42

Two 4 day trips at 21 hours each = 42

8 on. 22-23 off. 1 week of vacation.

If you don't know what you are talking about, shut up and just listen for a while. You might learn something.

 

[79%N1]

I'm sorry, but what are the XJT pilots going to vote the ASA pilots out of? Not following....

 

[skootertrash]

And btw,
4x7=28

70(vacation low)-28=42

Two 4 day trips at 21 hours each = 42

8 on. 22-23 off. 1 week of vacation.

If you don't know what you are talking about, shut up and just listen for a while. You might learn something.

Ok, until the company decides that staffing is to tight OR you're in the bottom half and builds your line to 95 hours. So.....95-28=67 hours that need to be flown. On an average of 5 hours per day, you're working 13 days.....thats 17-18 days off. Not the 24-25 that we can get here. And yes, it CAN happen. Read your LOA.

See, I can do math too!