x/c time revisited

[midlifeflyer]

seems that the point to point time is only important for a 135 job, meaning it won't help you with the ATP rating. Is this correct or to I need to go back and read the regs again?

That is correct. You need the 50+ NM for ATP, although you don't have to land there.

 

[de727ups]

just so, even I, can understaned...

Sorry to be so thick headed. When we use the word "started" as in "you must fly 50nm from the point you started", it still leaves me thinking you could start at airport A, fly 20nm to airport B and land, and fly 40nm to airport C and land. Now airport A is 55nm, straight line, from airport C. You could now say "I'm more than 50nm from where I started so I can call this a cross country for my IFR rating", which I don't think is right.

I think it's easier to understand (for me) if you speak of it as a leg of a flight. My understanding is, one leg of the flight must be at least 50nm long, straight line distance, with a takeoff and a landing, before you can call the total flight a cross country to meet the IFR rating requirements.

What do you guys think?

 

[midlifeflyer]

Re: just so, even I, can understaned...

Sorry to be so thick headed. When we use the word "started" as in "you must fly 50nm from the point you started", it still leaves me thinking you could start at airport A, fly 20nm to airport B and land, and fly 40nm to airport C and land. Now airport A is 55nm, straight line, from airport C. You could now say "I'm more than 50nm from where I started so I can call this a cross country for my IFR rating", which I don't think is right.

But that =is= right. It's exactly what the regulation says:

"That includes a point of landing that was at least a straight-line distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure."

I think it's easier to understand (for me) if you speak of it as a leg of a flight. My understanding is, one leg of the flight must be at least 50nm long, straight line distance, with a takeoff and a landing, before you can call the total flight a cross country to meet the IFR rating requirements.

That's wrong.

Using your example, your flight from A than includes a stop at C which is 55 NM away is a countable cross country no matter how many stops you make. You could stop at an airport every 5 NM along the route and it would be a countable cross country.

 

[KeroseneDream]

The 61.1 definition of cross country time towards ATP reads

"(iv) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience
requirements for an airline transport pilot certificate (except with a
rotorcraft category rating), time acquired during a flight--
(A) Conducted in an appropriate aircraft;
(B) That is at least a straight-line distance of more than 50
nautical miles from the original point of departure;"

So if you had a few drinks and read this maybe it means that you can only log the time during a flight that you are 50nm from the point of departure, not all the entire flight time.

Just looking at one of those crazy verbages used by the CFRs