Wow!

[Steelhead]

[h=1]FLEXJET BOOSTS PAY FOR RED LABEL PILOTS[/h]CHAD TRAUTVETTER
| MAY 2018

[FONT=&quot]https://www.facebook.com/sharer/sha...-news/flexjet-boosts-pay-for-red-label-pilotshttps://twitter.com/intent/tweet?ur...&text=Flexjet Boosts Pay for Red Label Pilotshttps://plus.google.com/share?url=h...-news/flexjet-boosts-pay-for-red-label-pilotshttp://www.linkedin.com/shareArticl... require growth in pilot ranks by 25 percent.
Fractional provider Flexjet recently announced “substantial salary increases” for Red Label pilots, making them what it claims are the highest paid in the industry. Pilots flying for Red Label, Flexjet’s premium offering, are assigned to a specific aircraft tail number and are managed in a small-team environment.
Under the new pay scale, Flexjet said, first-year pilots using the preferential bid schedule could make $80,000 per year; a fifth-year Challenger 350 pilot could earn as much as $176,000; and a third-year Red Label chief aircraft commander flying a Gulfstream G650 could earn $205,000 annually. Red Label pilots also receive quarterly bonus incentives based on performance.
In response to “unprecedented business growth and flight demand,” the company intends to expand its fleet by 14 percent, which will require growth in pilot ranks by 25 percent this year. Flexjet believes that its pay and benefits will allow it to fill these open positions despite the looming pilot shortage.
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[GlorifiedCabbie]

And the rest of the article is:
[FONT=&quot]"Meanwhile, Flexjet's pilots, along with those at sister group Flight Options, are currently voting on whether or not to remain unionized. The NMB-overseen voting period began May 2 and ends May 30."
Good luck hiring. Pay doesn't mean everything, especially when you don't have any QOL.[/FONT]

 

[Kermit_D_Frog]

Chief aircraft commander? Hahahaha. What a bag of tools.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Yes, but you get to wear 5 stripes.

For a first year pilot to make 80,000, you would need to work about over 230 days per year. During training, you are only paid for 16 days no matter how long you are in school. Then you get to wait for an IOE training slot. The truth really hurts, especially when we have 15 years FO's making less than 70,000.

 

[EnFuego]

First, Netjets year one pay base pay on a 7 on 7 off schedule is higher while working less days. 52 weeks in a year equals 26x7=182 days worked. First year at Netjets is also $80k. The "preferential bid" here at Flex means you will work 16 days per bid period. There are 13 bid periods a year. 13x16=208 days a year. You also get two weeks vacation at each place...but Netjets week is 7 days while Flex's week is 5 days. Oops, truth in advertising is optional at Flexjet.
There is no such thing as a fifth year 350 captain. Fifth year 350 pay is around $90,000 in reality. Gulfstream pilots get $140,000 as a base. No bonuses were paid to them this year. Again, there is a truth gap here.
Steelhead is a management account. The post is written by the third party union busting Russ Brown or one of his ilk. As Cabbie said, without QOL, you don't want to get caught here.

I almost forgot to mention Netjets pays 100% of your insurance and has a much better 401k match. At Flex, it's a mere 4% match for your first six years. And management argued against improving it during contract arbitration. So don't expect it to improve if there is no Union to negotiate anything better.

 

[Steelhead]

First, Netjets year one pay base pay on a 7 on 7 off schedule is higher while working less days. 52 weeks in a year equals 26x7=182 days worked. First year at Netjets is also $80k. The "preferential bid" here at Flex means you will work 16 days per bid period. There are 13 bid periods a year. 13x16=208 days a year. You also get two weeks vacation at each place...but Netjets week is 7 days while Flex's week is 5 days. Oops, truth in advertising is optional at Flexjet.
There is no such thing as a fifth year 350 captain. Fifth year 350 pay is around $90,000 in reality. Gulfstream pilots get $140,000 as a base. No bonuses were paid to them this year. Again, there is a truth gap here.
Steelhead is a management account. The post is written by the third party union busting Russ Brown or one of his ilk. As Cabbie said, without QOL, you don't want to get caught here.

I almost forgot to mention Netjets pays 100% of your insurance and has a much better 401k match. At Flex, it's a mere 4% match for your first six years. And management argued against improving it during contract arbitration. So don't expect it to improve if there is no Union to negotiate anything better.

Actually I don't even have a dog in the fight.... The article was sent to me and came from a buddy who saw it on bjtonline.com and thought it was interesting...... The money still looks pretty decent when you look across the entire sector of the industry.

 

[EnFuego]

Actually I don't even have a dog in the fight.... The article was sent to me and came from a buddy who saw it on bjtonline.com and thought it was interesting...... The money still looks pretty decent when you look across the entire sector of the industry.

Except that NO Flexjet pilot actually makes that in the time frame mentioned.

 

[Bjtdrvr]

They don't tell you that those guys don't get ot even if they get home two or three days late. Lots of gotchas for International Red Label.

 

[EnFuego]

They don't tell you that those guys don't get ot even if they get home two or three days late. Lots of gotchas for International Red Label.

I forgot to include that in my post. It's a straight salary, so they keep guys out extra days and you are on call on your days off too. What are the actual 135 requirements? 4 days off in a quarter or some such nonsense? So just keep that company phone on and in hand. And don't travel more than 90 minutes from the airport, just in case we call you out...

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

And don't forget to throw in "you didn't fly yesterday, so that was one of your days off."

 

[Bjtdrvr]

Well the five guys do work out their own schedule. You just have to hope nothing goes wrong if you are counting on a specific day off.

 

[DirtyBeech]

Just remember that 16 days a bid period, and you can forget ever getting under that as anyone with less than 10-15 years in the company, means 16-19 days a month worked.

Oh, and there are non Red Label pilots flying the same equipment, doing the same job, often sharing the same flight deck as their RL brethren while making significantly less money. They’re gonna love you.

FJ is no longer competitive with the compensation and quality of life of even most major ULCC’s. Good luck with that.

This is right in line with Ken Ricci’s f’d up vision of paying 80% of his employees as little as possible. You’re either trapped, transient or have well worn knee pads in his world. Guess who gets the money.

 

[Dirty Squirrel]

First, Netjets year one pay base pay on a 7 on 7 off schedule is higher while working less days. 52 weeks in a year equals 26x7=182 days worked. First year at Netjets is also $80k. The "preferential bid" here at Flex means you will work 16 days per bid period. There are 13 bid periods a year. 13x16=208 days a year. You also get two weeks vacation at each place...but Netjets week is 7 days while Flex's week is 5 days. Oops, truth in advertising is optional at Flexjet.
There is no such thing as a fifth year 350 captain. Fifth year 350 pay is around $90,000 in reality. Gulfstream pilots get $140,000 as a base. No bonuses were paid to them this year. Again, there is a truth gap here.
Steelhead is a management account. The post is written by the third party union busting Russ Brown or one of his ilk. As Cabbie said, without QOL, you don't want to get caught here.

I almost forgot to mention Netjets pays 100% of your insurance and has a much better 401k match. At Flex, it's a mere 4% match for your first six years. And management argued against improving it during contract arbitration. So don't expect it to improve if there is no Union to negotiate anything better.

The Gulfstream guys got their bonus but got dinged for the company-wide over runs, etc.

 

[EnFuego]

The Gulfstream guys got their bonus but got dinged for the company-wide over runs, etc.

Well they did participate in those overruns.

 

[MOMOMOJO]

One of the "commanders" was bragging about working over 2 months straight without a day off. I thought surely that's the wrong word. Maybe complaining was a better word.

Nope. It was clarified it was bragging. He was excited to explain how hard he was working setting up "his program" and "making the company money" even if he didn't get to share the profits. He is the prototype for an FoK.

By the way, this "Commander" is one of the lead decert guys. Nevermind he was passed over for the job until the Union fought for the right for Flexjet guys to participate. Although considering the grave needs of his family (his wife has TBI) perhaps this particular pilot would be better off on the 300. Funny, he'd be making more money there too. Just ask the other IRL decert "king" who left the IRL program after seeing the sham and went back to the 350 where he gets more time with his husband.

 

[Propilot77]

One of the "commanders" was bragging about working over 2 months straight without a day off. I thought surely that's the wrong word. Maybe complaining was a better word.

Nope. It was clarified it was bragging. He was excited to explain how hard he was working setting up "his program" and "making the company money" even if he didn't get to share the profits. He is the prototype for an FoK.

By the way, this "Commander" is one of the lead decert guys. Nevermind he was passed over for the job until the Union fought for the right for Flexjet guys to participate. Although considering the grave needs of his family (his wife has TBI) perhaps this particular pilot would be better off on the 300. Funny, he'd be making more money there too. Just ask the other IRL decert "king" who left the IRL program after seeing the sham and went back to the 350 where he gets more time with his husband.

King???? Really another word comes to mind!

 

[justmeinmsp]

The Queen?

 

[Propilot77]

The Queen?

:laugh: :beer:

 

[EnFuego]

Speaking of Wow! What's the story behind this latest email? Did the Union busting law firm send porn to some of the managers so they could try for fake outrage and accusations?

 

[Praetorian]

Speaking of Wow! What's the story behind this latest email? Did the Union busting law firm send porn to some of the managers so they could try for fake outrage and accusations?

Meh. He’s just trying to change the subject from what his managers did. Look over there, a squirrel!

 

[1folinepilot]

Meh. He’s just trying to change the subject from what his managers did. Look over there, a squirrel!

Exactly! And 2N is showing his at will management style by posting a treatening letter based on false alegations. To think he expects us to trust him and his management team is just insane

 

[Honorstudent]

WOW is right!! I find it very hard to believe that 2 nn thinks so little of this pilot groups intelligence or our union leadership that they would stoop so low as to resort to childish below the belt type tactics, if leadership hasn’t done it yet why would they start now? It is truly pathetic and shows signs of sheer desperation on the part of managment, I believe a professional PI should be hired and an additional $10,000 reward offered by the Union.

 

[EnFuego]

That's a great idea. Offer to double the reward and participate in the investigation. Take samples for finger prints and saliva if it's an old fashioned envelope. Compare those to management, the Union busters and employees. We all know the last group had nothing to do with it. Who wants to bet we would be rebuffed immediately?!

 

[John MClain]

10k, really? Seems kind of low ball for the alleged atrocities imposed upon those poor and upstanding 7 “Posers” and their traumatized families.

I guess Notre Dame band members and alumni rate higher on the Ricci worth scale than his own “Family” members. That fact that he will never have to pay it makes it even more of an insult and hollow gesture. The culprit will never be exposed. My suggestion to the “Proper Authorities” would be to start with Russ Brown and the entire “Decert Bunch”.

It is a fact that IBT Local 1108 leadership had absolutely nothing to do with whatever Mr. Ricci has accused, convicted and sentenced them of doing. They haven’t even seen the alleged “Pornography”.

por·nog·ra·phy
pôr?nä?r?f?/
noun
1. printed or visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity, intended to stimulate erotic rather than aesthetic or emotional feelings.

synonyms:

erotica, pornographic material, dirty books;

Total B/S and a clear sign the Living Legend is desperate and perhaps even a little unstable. He knows he’s going to lose this vote and will have to continue his never-ending campaign to destroy the “Little Local That Could”.

 

[jetwash]

What is all this about? Did I miss something?

 

[Lumpsum]

WOW is right!! I find it very hard to believe that 2 nn thinks so little of this pilot groups intelligence or our union leadership that they would stoop so low as to resort to childish below the belt type tactics, if leadership hasn’t done it yet why would they start now? It is truly pathetic and shows signs of sheer desperation on the part of managment, I believe a professional PI should be hired and an additional $10,000 reward offered by the Union.

How would you like your words prepared when it comes time for you to eat them? Sauteed or Fricasee'd ????

 

[GE6108A]

Lumpsum,
So, is that how you get paid if you and your despicable hired hands actually bust the union? It isn't a name any pilot would ever choose.

 

[V1 Rotate]

How would you like your words prepared when it comes time for you to eat them? Sauteed or Fricasee'd ????

What I’d like is for you to respond to me when I call you out. Since our conversation was moved to the Hangar by the Mod, I’ll ask you again here:

“I’m curious, you still refuse to engage me with the facts about SLI, and for some reason I became Public Enemy #1 over the issue. But when I would approach colleagues about it in FBOs, on Facebook where I was being trashed, on here, recurrent, etc, all of a sudden guys like you clam up. I was even told by Handschuch, or perhaps even you, in recurrent class last April that I was not allowed to speak on the subject while Handschuch, or you, and Jim Dunn lead the charge in trashing the SLI process with my classmates right in front of me. Why was that? I could’ve been asked anything about the process but it’s much easier to shoot spitballs from the peanut gallery isn’t it? Want to talk about bullying? I was bullied and silenced in class and most likely would have been disciplined had I pushed the issue. Reminds of the Flight Options guy that Ricci fires for body language.”

 

[Imissmypilot]

What is all this about? Did I miss something?

I was wondering the same thing.

Apparently a letter went out from management claiming the families of the 7 pilots in the FU picture are being harassed and sent pornographic pictures through either mail or email (I've heard both) depicting their family members "in compromising positions."

Now here's what is the inside hilarious scoop supposedly directly from someone who "got mail" but claims he was ordered to be in the photo and felt his job was in jeopardy if he said no. (I'm not so sure).

The harasssing picture sent was the actual photo of the 7 giving the bird. It wasn't doctored in any way nor was any other photo sent. The only other thing along with it (to their home address) was asking the wives of these "men" if they were proud of their husband and if they were proud the father of their children thought this was good conflict resolution to teach their kids. Word is the union wasn't behind it at all but an ex-flexer not even with OneSky. It up to you to determine if that's harassment and worthy of the napalm response from management evidenced in the company wide "outrage."

So in a nutshell, Kenn Ricci is describing the actions of his own managers as pornography and harassment. However, instead of dealing with reality, he is trying to figure out a way to blame the IBT for his own ineffectual mismanagement.

In other words, same old same old.

 

[jetwash]

Well, who took the photo?
I am sure the guys in the photo knew who it was since they were posing for him.

Who let it out, if it was suppose to be private? Was the photographer fired?
If it wasn't suppose to be private what are they crying about?

Just like teenagers who take photos of themselves then are upset when their parents see them on the internet.