World Airways

[CCDiscoB]

If World is hiring something is up. The most recent position bid didn't show any new requirements. Time to crank up the rumor mill. Bring on the 747s.

 

[UM#1]

770-632-8305 World Chief pilot's hiring hotline. It's a recorded message on whats going on with hiring, aircraft, etc. usually updated every month. I haven't listened to it in awhile so you can tell us what it says....

 

[AdlerDriver]

If World is hiring something is up. The most recent position bid didn't show any new requirements. Time to crank up the rumor mill. Bring on the 747s.

I heard they had a couple of April classes. Maybe my info is old. I know we need more folks. I got 3 days bought back in Feb and worked my butt off in Mar.

Your last trip was a marathon - was that poor bidding or HDOs in an inconvenient spot? Did you wife recognize you?

 

[CCDiscoB]

Yes it was, I knew it was coming too. I had to move my hard days to the end of this month from the beginning of last month (for a phase II). I wasn't busy the last couple of months.

 

[psysicx]

So what does a junior line look like?

 

[AdlerDriver]

So what does a junior line look like?

I’m not sure there is such a thing as a “junior line”. The only truly senior lines are the 9 day/month lines to Africa. Everything else is very much personal preference. I think most pilots tend to bid for days off. A freighter line might work one month and a military pax run to Asia the next.

Maybe the only “junior lines” might be LAX lines that fly live out of/return to LAX. All lines are built to start and finish at the pilots base, but only some actually have a World aircraft scheduled for you to operate on your first leg. If your flying will start somewhere else, the commercial positioning travel is part of your line. Right now, the only lines that routinely fly live in/out of LAX are some of the freighter lines and mil pax stuff. Most pilots who don’t live in LAX probably bid these last (unless they’ve got some overriding reason). Pilots based in LAX (who don’t live there) would have to commute on days off to get in position for such a trip and commute home on days off after it’s over. The company will still buy the tickets to get you there and back but it’s on your time (since it’s leaving from your base). A line that started and ended in ANC would include the travel days in the actual line schedule and you would be paid for those days you were traveling. So a 15 day trip out of LAX will actually cost you 17 days gone – the same trip out of ANC would really be 15 days out. Typical Freighter line would be 18 days with 24-72 hour layover at each stop. LAX-ANC, 4-6 ANC-TPE round trips, maybe a LAX turn, or a ANC-ATL leg - layover and back to ANC for more TPE runs, final leg ANC-LAX. Probably 60-70 hard hours with 80-85 credit.

We have roughly 70 FOs at both bases (IAD & LAX). There are usually 20ish lines each month per base. So, 40 or so FOs get lines each month (2 per line). They are trying some 2-man ops scheduled into some of the lines but it still works out to be about 40 guys getting lines. Most people hate being an “open flyer” enough that they’ll take any line instead of that.

 

[On Your Six]

I’m not sure there is such a thing as a “junior line”. The only truly senior lines are the 9 day/month lines to Africa. Everything else is very much personal preference. I think most pilots tend to bid for days off. A freighter line might work one month and a military pax run to Asia the next.

Maybe the only “junior lines” might be LAX lines that fly live out of/return to LAX. All lines are built to start and finish at the pilots base, but only some actually have a World aircraft scheduled for you to operate on your first leg. If your flying will start somewhere else, the commercial positioning travel is part of your line. Right now, the only lines that routinely fly live in/out of LAX are some of the freighter lines and mil pax stuff. Most pilots who don’t live in LAX probably bid these last (unless they’ve got some overriding reason). Pilots based in LAX (who don’t live there) would have to commute on days off to get in position for such a trip and commute home on days off after it’s over. The company will still buy the tickets to get you there and back but it’s on your time (since it’s leaving from your base). A line that started and ended in ANC would include the travel days in the actual line schedule and you would be paid for those days you were traveling. So a 15 day trip out of LAX will actually cost you 17 days gone – the same trip out of ANC would really be 15 days out. Typical Freighter line would be 18 days with 24-72 hour layover at each stop. LAX-ANC, 4-6 ANC-TPE round trips, maybe a LAX turn, or a ANC-ATL leg - layover and back to ANC for more TPE runs, final leg ANC-LAX. Probably 60-70 hard hours with 80-85 credit.

We have roughly 70 FOs at both bases (IAD & LAX). There are usually 20ish lines each month per base. So, 40 or so FOs get lines each month (2 per line). They are trying some 2-man ops scheduled into some of the lines but it still works out to be about 40 guys getting lines. Most people hate being an “open flyer” enough that they’ll take any line instead of that.

Great post! Thanks for all of the useful information.

 

[psysicx]

So it sounds like 2 weeks on the road is pretty typical?And the more senior you are the less days you get picked up to fly?Thanks for the great post.

 

[Fit59]

So it sounds like 2 weeks on the road is pretty typical?And the more senior you are the less days you get picked up to fly?Thanks for the great post.

You are correct, two weeks or more is typical, in fact, the majority of the pilot group seems to prefer the one long trip rather than the multiple trip Pac rim (kimchi express/freedom bird) trips. At least that's the impression I get. I don't mind the open flying, I've been in a routine the past few months where I begin my trip the last 3 days of the month and fly until the 15th (strategic hard day planning!) giving me 18 days of work a month with at least 12 straight days off (most of the time). I fully expect when I get the first call for a trip to be gone for a long period of time. I made the mistake once that I was going out on a 3 day trip... I even parked in a regular airport lot (big mistake), so $150.00 and 17 days later I picked my car up. Rookie mistake (but tax deductable)! I prefer this because I don't have a family and don't mind the long period, plus 18 days a month yields 85 hours of pay. Open flying tends to make you more money.

As far as leaving World for something else, I definately see World as a career airline. I am one of those junior guys and of course I like to keep my options available but I really believe World is one of the better flying jobs out there. I would think long and hard before giving this job up. I hope this info helps, and I'm glad to see more WOA guys on here!

 

[psysicx]

Fit how do you see that affecting you when you have a family?Do you hope to bid a line?And being more senior does that affect how long your on the road.It sounds fun.

 

[NAA Pilot]

News Alert:

World Airways is buying North American Airlines!

 

[CCDiscoB]

Really? Is this true?

 

[NAA Pilot]

It is true

 

[Fit59]

Can you give us some details???

 

[redneck jihad]

News Alert:

World Airways is buying North American Airlines!

source, please (that's a fairly old rumor)

 

[AirJosh1]

Anyone know how many pilots are in the pool and when the next class may be? I interviewed in Feb. and haven't heard anything other than interviews are still going on and that 19 are supposed to be hired before the summer.

 

[AirJosh1]

Anyone? Buehller?

 

[CCDiscoB]

The next class starts on the 20th. It looks like a class of four. Two start on Friday. How many are in the pool? Possibly more interviews too. I can't imagine you'll be in pool long.

 

[AirJosh1]

Thanks for the info. No clue on how many in the pool. I was told not that many. Looking forward to getting the call or email.

 

[rvsm410]

Worlds affect on North American?

Just wondering who has nonrev agreements with NAA/World airlines.....will this get better for NAA as a result of the buyout?

thanks in advance....