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embpic1

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I don't know if this is true or not:

United Airlines unitentional foam salute that damaged Boeing 777 meant as water salute, says Dulles fire crew
By Justin Wastnage

Flight has learnt further details of the bungled foam salute for a retiring United Airlines captain that led to the temporary withdrawl of a Boeing 777-200 from service last week.

An insider close to the planned water cannon salute informs Flight that the chief pilot had informed the fire department at Washington DC's Dulles airport of the retirement of the 777's pilot, who was completing his last scheduled flight. The fire department logged it as a routine training exercise. However, fire crews onboard the truck decided to swap the water for foam, to give the impression of snow, ahead of the Christmas vaction period.

Onboard the flightdeck of N772UA, the crew were not concerned, our source informs us, until both exhaust gas temperature gauges spiked to maximum after the foam shower.

Folloiwng an engineering inspection, the aircraft has been taken out of service for repairs to the Pratt & Whitney PW4077 engines. for extensive anti-corrosion treatment.

United is understood to have permanently ended the tradition of salutes as a result.

This tradition is now likely to end at Dulles, if not everywhere else.
 
...what is the source of your article?

I doubt they'd stop it. This tradition has been around for what...40-50 yrs? And ONE oops would stop it...hope not
 
Google "777 retirement foam" and you'll get the article he posted.

No reason to stop the tradition, just tell the firefighters to spray water, not foam.
 
Actually that foam is quite corrosive to metal and it got into the bleed ducts of the plane. UAL estimated that it could possibly be a hull loss incident but they wont know for a few weeks until all inspections have been completed.

Bad deal.
 
Actually that foam is quite corrosive to metal and it got into the bleed ducts of the plane. UAL estimated that it could possibly be a hull loss incident but they wont know for a few weeks until all inspections have been completed.

Bad deal.

United wants it to be a hull loss, the airplane is over insured for more than $120M. They can fix it for less than that.
 
We had an expensive one at NWA in '99. A dispatcher (you reading this, 405?) called the MSP ARFF guys and requested a shower for a retiring DC-10 captain. The salute looked awesome...but the OAT of 24-degrees (not uncommon here on the Tundra in Feb.) resulted in an impressive coating of seal- and fairing-damaging ice.

Rut Row!

The mx costs were less than $20k, but it drew some intense upper-management scrutiny on the practice. Since then the salutes have been allowed, but restricted:

- OAT above 40-degrees
- not sprayed directly over the aircraft, but adjacent.
- must be authorized by a Chief Pilot, not a dispatcher.

The dispatcher involved in this one later rose to greater infamy when he coordinated a formation fly-by over the MSP airport by a NWA B747 being flown by a retiring pilot, and a B-24 co-piloted by a notorious NWA scab. The TV stations, passengers on the Whale, and dozens of bystanders were thrilled. The FAA...not so much.
 
The dispatcher involved in this one later rose to greater infamy when he coordinated a formation fly-by over the MSP airport by a NWA B747 being flown by a retiring pilot, and a B-24 co-piloted by a notorious NWA scab. The TV stations, passengers on the Whale, and dozens of bystanders were thrilled. The FAA...not so much.

Razor;

You forgot to add that the the 747 had pax on board when it did the fly-by
flight with the B-24. Real smart.

Dave B
 
Good call!

Certificate action against the retiring pilot of the Whale.

None against the dispatcher.

Planning and coordinating a stupid idea isn't the same as execution of the stupid idea. Apparently, the Feds hold pilots to a different standard.
 
Ahhh...I remember that... I'm sure It was one heck of a retiement picture ! The cappy was from Seatle..and the bomber pilot was his kid... I thought? maybe not.. Good grins...
 
Wasn't there a retiring AA 777 captain who got nailed for buzzing his beach house or something?

Personally, I think you should be given a waiver for 3 shenanigans on your final leg provide nothing gets damaged and no one gets hurt.
 
Certificate action against a retiring whale Captain....there is sure punishment there!

A350

There is if you owned an airplane and were looking forward to actually having fun after retirement. I don't think I'd want to stop flying altogether, then again, 29 more years could change a lot of things......
 
Wasn't there a retiring AA 777 captain who got nailed for buzzing his beach house or something?

Yeah, I remember something about that. Happened down in South Florida in the late 90s, I think.
 
Yeah, I remember something about that. Happened down in South Florida in the late 90s, I think.
I can not find any refrence to this, any chance you have a link?
 
I heard it was a DC-10 CApt flying from HNL-DFW retirement flight.

Tejas

Could be, could be BS. I could sear I remember seeing something about it on avweb, but I could also be mistaken...
 
A TWA 767 captain got in trouble in 2001 for buzzing Diamond Head on his last flight before retirement, HNL-STL. Woulda loved to have seen that from atop Diamond Head!
 
I'm sure the United Capt. in the original incident quoted, was asked for a report as he was leaving the plane. I imagine his final response was along the lines of 'pound sand, I'm retired!'
 
Yeah, an AA check airman asked the chief pilot if he could do a fly by at his home airport while AA was showing off the 777 at the various bases. Chief pilot said no, check airman did it anyway........

Not sure what the punishment was....
 
Yeah, an AA check airman asked the chief pilot if he could do a fly by at his home airport while AA was showing off the 777 at the various bases. Chief pilot said no, check airman did it anyway........

Not sure what the punishment was....

Spruce Creek, right?
 
The dispatcher involved in this one later rose to greater infamy when he coordinated a formation fly-by over the MSP airport by a NWA B747 being flown by a retiring pilot, and a B-24 co-piloted by a notorious NWA scab. The TV stations, passengers on the Whale, and dozens of bystanders were thrilled. The FAA...not so much.

I lived in MSP when that happened. I also was flying warbirds at the time. One of the things that nailed those guys is an FAR that basically states that you cannot fly formation in commercial operations. Obviously since the NWA 747 was in fact flying 121 in commercial operations both crews were busted.

I don't know for sure about this, but I also heard that the 747 capts son (who was a DC9 driver at NWA) was in the right seat during the formation.
 

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