Wondering About the NWA/DAL SLI?

[FDJ2]

You guys are so full of crap. The average age is 12.3 years. Get your numbers straight.

You got us, we were off by approximately 4 months, congratulations. At least you did some research.

How old is your 747-400 fleet, 200 fleet and A320 fleet?

 

[General Lee]

Respectively, isn't an MD88/MD80 basically just a DC9-80? Obviously the DC9 isn't what we would call economical in today's environment, but how much more efficient is the MD80 series? Maybe NWA's lack of lease payments on the DC9's makes up for the disparity. Seems to me the MD88's have a good a chance of any of being phased out due to the ridiculous price of oil.
Not taking any sides at all here, just some honest thoughts and questions...

The MD88 is the "advanced" version of the MD80, with FMS and autothrottle (both not in DC9s), and that saves fuel. (compared to Manual) The MD88 lease payments were close to $280,000 a month prior to our BK, and are now supposedly $80,000 a month. The DC9-50 I think carries 124 pax, whereas the MD88 carries 146. So, the MD88 carries more pax (lower CASM), has systems that can accurately and precisely burn the correct amount of fuel in different phases of flight, saving money on high gas, and the chicks dig them better than the -9s. (from what I have heard anyway, I am staying with true Boeings)

We also have MD90s, which have larger engines that are quieter I believe (SNA ops), can handle "hot and high" better, and have more range. There are a lot of those on the open market too, including the 20 I have stated that we may be looking at still from Saudia........you never know.....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[FBN0223]

You got us, we were off by approximately 4 months, congratulations. At least you did some research.

How old is your 747-400 fleet, 200 fleet and A320 fleet?

Just guessing but I'd say B747-400....18 years; B747-200....25 years; A320/319....7 years.

My estimates. Probably way off.

 

[nwaredtail]

You got us, we were off by approximately 4 months, congratulations. At least you did some research.

How old is your 747-400 fleet, 200 fleet and A320 fleet?

320=13.5 years, 319=6.2 years, average 747 (all)=19.6 years. Entire fleet =11.5

looks like we have a younger fleet than the airline we're saving.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

From what the guys are saying in route planning the 9's are coming to ATL. They are to take over the 50,70 and 90 routes. I just hope that we can keep the 757's on property. Even at 25 years old it is still an awesome machine.

 

[FBN0223]

Yeah, today's reduction announcement was really nothing new except for a number of B757s being placed on the chopping block. It's definitely our most versatile aircraft at NWA. It flies Intra-Asia, Hawaii, Domestic and Europe. So what's up with this move?

 

[FDJ2]

Yeah, today's reduction announcement was really nothing new except for a number of B757s being placed on the chopping block. It's definitely our most versatile aircraft at NWA. It flies Intra-Asia, Hawaii, Domestic and Europe. So what's up with this move?

Probably coming up on a heavy check. Save the cash, park the plane and increase rasm.

Overall, in line with what everyone else is doing.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Respectively, isn't an MD88/MD80 basically just a DC9-80? Obviously the DC9 isn't what we would call economical in today's environment, but how much more efficient is the MD80 series?

About 13 to 15% better than the DC9-50. The operating costs, including leases, are nearly the same.

Candidly, I think the MD88's are a target after the DC9's are eliminated. The 757 costs about the same to operate and the 737-800 costs less.

Of course, there are always rumors of MD90's from around the World. That would make a nice, training free and cap ex cheap replacement.

 

[Superpilot92]

I think the positive side of this is that it wasn't any bigger. It really was just a small adjustment to the original reduction announcement. I honestly thought we were going down to 55 dc9s so being that 61 is a higher number thats a plus i suppose. Looks like the -9 will be around to replace some regional jets.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Looks like the -9 will be around to replace some regional jets.

Not according to your Finance guy. RJ ops growing by more than 50%.

What happened to your scope that said RJ's would be parked if mainline cuts were made? Did your MEC know about this before sending the letter?

But it said regional flying would rise by as much as 55 percent as it adds new 76-seat jets. Chief Financial Officer Dave Davis said the smaller jets cost about 30 percent less to operate because of lower labor and fuel expenses, even after making the debt payments.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Not according to your Finance guy. RJ ops growing by more than 50%.

What happened to your scope that said RJ's would be parked if mainline cuts were made? Did your MEC know about this before sending the letter?

But it said regional flying would rise by as much as 55 percent as it adds new 76-seat jets. Chief Financial Officer Dave Davis said the smaller jets cost about 30 percent less to operate because of lower labor and fuel expenses, even after making the debt payments.

The lower labor costs are due to the low longevity of the Compass employees.....This is the new "B scale" or even "C scale".....We are going to start these new "airlines" within the mainline that requires employees to start their longevity over again....like Compass...

 

[737 Pylt]

320=13.5 years, 319=6.2 years, average 747 (all)=19.6 years. Entire fleet =11.5

looks like we have a younger fleet than the airline we're saving.

Keep telling yourself that......I'm sure it helps you out in the other areas which you lack!

737

 

[FBN0223]

In my view Compass was the number one reason to vote down the last CBA. There are some real "slap in the face" issues for junior NWA pilots flowing down to Compass if that were to happen. 1) A ten year DC-9 FO at NWA would start at second year CA pay at Compass(around 60/hr). 2) During a NWA pilot's employment at Compass, no longevity is accrued at NWA.

All the more reason to place all of these EMB175 jets and pilots on to the NWA/DL mainline and recapture that flying.

 

[JoeMerchant]

In my view Compass was the number one reason to vote down the last CBA. There are some real "slap in the face" issues for junior NWA pilots flowing down to Compass if that were to happen. 1) A ten year DC-9 FO at NWA would start at second year CA pay at Compass(around 60/hr). 2) During a NWA pilot's employment at Compass, no longevity is accrued at NWA.

All the more reason to place all of these EMB175 jets and pilots on to the NWA/DL mainline and recapture that flying.

It was a mainline agreement....But it was at a "C scale"....This is why I cringe when I hear how much greater it would be to get this flying on the "mainline".....For reasons of securing financing for the aircraft...The rates for this flying combined with the longevity issue make these agreements the new "low" mark....Undercutting current regional rates.....

This quagmire was a result of ignoring the issue for too many years....

 

[FBN0223]

To be more specific, mainline pay with mainline longevity and mainline seniority. And I cringe when I see EMB175s flying DC-9 and A320 routes