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ONE WOMAN’S FLIGHT OR FIGHT RESPONSE

Trapped passenger seeks travelers’ rights


George Raine, Chronicle Staff Writer
Tuesday, July 31, 2007


sfgate_get_fprefs(); During her nine hours on a grounded airplane Dec. 29, Kate Hanni had one bag of pretzels and some water from the bathroom sink.
Check that, she remembered - she actually gave the pretzels to her 11-year-old son.
As American Airlines Flight 1348 sat in the Austin, Texas, airport, diverted from Dallas/Fort Worth, over which hovered a 1,000-mile-long thunderstorm, the toilets stank and the rage built up.
"People were victimized that night," said Hanni, a veteran Napa real estate agent, who was traveling with her husband, Tim, and sons Chase and Landen from San Francisco to a resort in Alabama - a respite they sorely needed.
Creativity flowed that night, too. Out of the raw experience came Hanni's notion of an airline passengers' bill of rights - legislation that would protect travelers subjected to seemingly interminable delays. And organizing to protect passengers has virtually become Hanni's full-time job.
Hanni and 40 people among the 138 stranded aboard Flight 1348 drafted a bill of rights. High on their list was a guarantee that no airplane would sit on the tarmac for longer than three hours without connecting to a gate.
Since then, more than 16,300 people have signed a petition pushed by the Coalition for an Airline Passengers' Bill of Rights, the group she founded.
Hanni's congressman, Rep. Mike Thompson, D-Napa, introduced legislation in the House for a passenger bill of rights. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., and Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, have offered similar legislation in the Senate. Language from both versions has been woven into reauthorization bills for the Federal Aviation Administration. Whether the bill that ultimately passes will force the airlines to allow passengers to get off stranded aircraft remains to be seen.
It's a tough row to hoe, of course. The airlines believe decisions "need to rest in the hands of cockpit crews," said David Castelveter, a spokesman for the Air Transport Association of America.
The idea of a passengers' bill of rights surfaced in Congress after a snowstorm stranded about 3,200 passengers in Detroit in 1999. But the airlines persuaded Congress they could come up with their own storm contingency plans. Consumer advocates say they fell short.
This week Hanni, 47, is on her 14th lobbying trip to Washington since January. In part because of her doggedness, proposals to establish accommodations for stranded passengers are for the first time almost certain to be included when FAA legislation comes to floor votes.
Hanni's motivation comes in part from her horrific experience in June 2006, when she was assaulted by a man who feigned interest in a home she had listed and threatened to kill her.
She told herself at the time she would never again be victimized and acted on the pledge six months later during the delay in Austin.
The assailant had called her cell phone, disguising his voice to sound like an old man, asking to meet her at an unoccupied Napa home on the market. She figured she could show the house and still get to an Elvis Costello concert in San Jose that night.
A few minutes after she opened the house, the assailant, wearing a ski mask and work gloves, entered and tackled her. He grabbed her face and twisted her neck, threatening to kill her.
Hanni said she managed to stand up and tried to resist, but the man was powerfully built, like a "body-building type." He forced her down again, pulled her shorts partly down and pushed up her shirt.
She may have persuaded the man not to rape her by telling him that her first husband had died and that "if you kill me, my son will have no parents and will kill himself." In fact, her son had told her that. She kept repeating it, and in the Napa police report on the crime, she called it her "mantra."
"It was the only thing I could think of (to say) to not make it about me," she said. "I thought this guy hates women, he obviously wanted to dominate me. I was shaking but I could still think, and he hesitated and I knew I had gotten to him."
With one hand over her mouth, the assailant used the other to pull Hanni by her hair up a flight stairs. She bit his hand through a glove. He pushed her into a laundry room, told her to stay there for five minutes and fled.
During the nine-hour wait on the tarmac in the small MD-80 jet, Hanni said she felt panic not unlike what she felt during the assault.
"It brought back the sense of powerlessness I had not had since the attack. I felt trapped. I felt I was being held against my will," she said.
"I don't think I would have taken on this cause were it not for the decision that I made during my assault, when I decided I wouldn't be victimized again, and I won't watch anyone else be victimized."
For its part, American Airlines agrees that holding Flight 1348 on the tarmac for nine hours was too long, spokesman Tim Wagner said. The airline thought it was preferable to stay in place and wait for an opportunity to return to Dallas rather than inconvenience passengers, who would have had difficulty rebooking trips during the holiday period when planes were full.
That's little consolation for Hanni, who said her resolve grows stronger with time.
"If I say I am going to do something, it's going to get done. I am my word. Even if it is going to cost me financially, which it profoundly has, I'm going to keep going. If we have to sell this house, if we have to sell the cars, I will not be stopped," she said.
Hanni hasn't had any income since the assault. Donations made to her Web site, www.flyersrights.com , cover her transportation to Washington for lobbying.
Her husband, after a career at the Beringer winery, has started two companies. But she had been the primary breadwinner. They recently took out a $200,000 line of credit on their Napa home to pay bills, including her monthly cell phone charges, which reach $2,400 as she keeps in touch with riled passengers around the country.
Hanni considered the Alabama vacation part of her post-assault therapy. While she was stuck in the airplane without food, she knew that her therapists would tell her not to let the experience defeat her.
"They told me to face everything, so I did," Hanni said. "Whatever it is you are afraid of, you face it."
Less than two days after the Austin ordeal, Hanni telephoned Thompson, her congressman, from the Alabama resort asking for his help.
Reared on a small farm near Eureka, Hanni is the daughter of retired teachers. In the 4-H Club, she bonded with bees. Her mother bought her a piano when she was 4. She plays that and 11 other instruments and sings. She's still at it, performing rhythm and blues as Kate Hanni & the Toasted Heads around Napa.
Her day job for the past 17 years has been real estate. She was among the top agents in sales volume in recent years. But she's been away from work since June, and whether she returns is a question.
"I don't love real estate," she said. "I don't like it when I'm dealing with a $5 million client who bickers over a $100 toilet seat. As a consumer advocate, people love what I'm doing."
E-mail George Raine at [email protected].
 
Good for her.

It's about time someone stops airline managements from treating people like cattle. The system is broke, and it's good to see a woman fixing it.
 
Sooooo...she wants the U.S. government to fix what is essentially a "Customer service" issue.

Lets look at some examples of the Governments Customer Service record.

1-How about the condescending tone folks get from
the TSA people at the airport? I've already talked to one Capt who told a TSA Sup that he didn't particularly care for how our Customers were treated by the TSA.

2- The passport delays ...nuff said

3- IRS...need I say more?

Those are just for starters. Do you really want the Congress to get involved in Customer issues? Be careful what you wish for.....
 
This idea is AFU. Seriously. This is the 'entitlement' of Americans...the bad kind...taken to extremes.

If passengers want a 'Bill of Rights', then let all routes be re-regulated by the CAB. Otherwise, attention seeking, bored housewives with too much diposable income and time need to stop being media whores and start addressing issues w/ the airline in question...NOT with the industry at large.

This is a relatively free market last time I checked. Let the damn market take care of this.

Pocono, you're thinking is off on this. Soo what is next along this passenger bill of rights line of logic? A flight-info bill of rights??? W/ protections for all from most of General Lee's misinformed comments about SWA?

Seriously though, this country has a damned Constitution and Bill of Rights already...as well as the most advanced free market the World has ever known. To that end consumers that care about how they are treated should simply choose another carrier...not seek their 15 minutes of tawdry fame.

Flame off.
 
And............

In case you don't think the woman in question likes being on stage: http://www.toastedheads.com/page1.html

And OBTW (thought Pocono could relate to that), the SF Gate article makes it sound as though she is sacrificing financially and is nearly being made destitute by this "crusade" of hers....anyone have any clue as to how much money a real estate agent in NAPA VALLEY makes?!?!

Ok...I'm better now.
 
Does anyone suppose the airlines would police themselves on this issue? I don't. The anti-intervention side would say "Fine, then choose not to fly." I, for one, wouldn't want DAL, UAL or NWA to come up with that solution. The American public is liable to say, "Fine, I won't." More bankruptcies and furloughs would soon follow. Customer service issue? Airline customer service sucks, just ask anyone who's tried to talk to them. I have heard enough stories about trapped pax to last me a lifetime. If I were one of them, I'd be pissed too.
 
Does anyone suppose the airlines would police themselves on this issue? I don't. The anti-intervention side would say "Fine, then choose not to fly." I, for one, wouldn't want DAL, UAL or NWA to come up with that solution. The American public is liable to say, "Fine, I won't." More bankruptcies and furloughs would soon follow. Customer service issue? Airline customer service sucks, just ask anyone who's tried to talk to them. I have heard enough stories about trapped pax to last me a lifetime. If I were one of them, I'd be pissed too.

Your point isn't without merit. But I look at it this way....in a marketplace of very minor differentiation, carriers are looking for ways in which to innovate and stand out from their competitors. Some innovate on price and fare structures...others on premium offerings.

If you like the government running even more things inside of the industry, then I say your points are completely right. Personally, I'm a states-rights and small government kinda guy.
 
It's come to this because airline executives are so incompetent and arrogant that they just don't care about the customer.

It's no skin off their teeth. They get paid huge bonuses and salaries and under-table perks and payouts no matter how lousy a job they do leading and managing the airline.
 
This week Hanni, 47, is on her 14th lobbying trip to Washington since January

How is she getting there? Bus? Train? Car?

"I don't love real estate," she said. "I don't like it when I'm dealing with a $5 million client who bickers over a $100 toilet seat."

And we don't like it when people who pay $49 for a ticket, expect $1,500 in services. It's the free market wench, deal with it. Tell me one thing the government runs well. :rolleyes:
 
High on their list was a guarantee that no airplane would sit on the tarmac for longer than three hours without connecting to a gate.

That's a great idea... Then everyone can get off the plane, mill about aimlessly, and then have no way to get back on, when the same brilliant gov't that wants to make it "law" gives us 15 minutes to get 'em started and get to the end of the runway. Oh yeah, who is going to pay for the gate space and extra employees (often overtime, or worse, off-line people at a divert station) mandated by the gov't? Or, who will deal with security at an off-line divert station, the feds? Riiiiiiiiiiiight...........

What will the repercussions of this pax bill of rights be? More fuel, less pax (more bumpings)? Or will companies push to rush and get in regardless of the weather? (to limit diverts). Anyone that thinks the gov't can legislate customer service is (putting it nicely) a little slow on the upswing or (putting it bluntly) a d@mn idiot.
 
How is she getting there? Bus? Train? Car?



And we don't like it when people who pay $49 for a ticket, expect $1,500 in services. It's the free market wench, deal with it. Tell me one thing the government runs well. :rolleyes:

Their salary/medical benefits and retirement pension system of congressmen and senators.
 
I for one am sick of

how often people use the term "bill of rights". It really cheapens the original.

Why anyone thinks Congress could fix this is beyond me. They can't fix anything without causing a bunch of "unintended consequences" How will this "mandate" get paid for? A large increase in fares - oh wait I forgot - management will just take it out of employee salaries...
 
sfgate_get_fprefs(); During her nine hours on a grounded airplane Dec. 29, Kate Hanni had one bag of pretzels and some water from the bathroom sink.
Check that, she remembered - she actually gave the pretzels to her 11-year-old son.
As American Airlines Flight 1348 sat in the Austin, Texas, airport, diverted from Dallas/Fort Worth, over which hovered a 1,000-mile-long thunderstorm, the toilets stank and the rage built up.
"People were victimized that night," said Hanni, a veteran Napa real estate agent, who was traveling with her husband, Tim, and sons Chase and Landen from San Francisco to a resort in Alabama - a respite they sorely needed.


That's an oxymoron if I ever heard one!
 
Airlines can't be blamed 100% of the time. Delays are due to weather and flow restrictions induced by the outdated ATC system. It's really tiresome to hear about shifting blame to these problems to the airlines. We just can't win sometimes. Sure! Now, she apparently was going home from her vacation, but if she was on her way to New York for her son's wedding, or tryinng to make that cruise out of Miami, the first thing she is going to do when her flight returns to the gate is to storm the podium and ask why we aren't departing instead of trolling around the terminal for some fresh air and bitch why we are being delayed even more instead of waiting at the end of the runway for a small window of the earliest opportunity to depart. Trust me.
 
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