Woerth

[701EV]

Fins,


Way to go!!!!


C YA Mr Worthless

701EV

 

[Capt. Caucasian]

OK, so yall want him out of office. How do you propose to get rid of him? Remember that National officers have four year terms and they still have two years left. The membership cannot recall him just as the membership cannot recall your MEC chairman or the President of the USA for that matter.

Personally, I think he has done a good job considering the lousy hand he has been delt. Also, the Executive Council and the Executive Board have much, much, much, much, much more power than DW has. The only real power he has is signing off contracts and appointing National committee members. Other than that if you have a beef with any policies blame would rightly go to the EC and EB which is made up of folks that WE (the membership through our LEC Reps) elect. Soooooo, the real problem is us then. Apparently we are all P U S S I E S

Except for me, I rock!

 

[Capt. Caucasian]

2) In his quest to bring more "preferred" members into "The Pilots' Union" has has staged PR events with Continental scabs and allowed scabs back into the union without a penny of back dues.

Actually this is not entirely true. I was a member of the organizing drive here at CALALPA and originally the SCABS were going to have to pay all of their back dues and fines. It was realized early on that the ALPA vote was going to fail if that happened so just the fines were forgivin, not the back dues. Also, keep in mind the majority of the CAL SCABs were never ALPA members. They were hired after the strike and the Union was broken so therefore do not owe anything. ALPA cannot fine anyone when they were never members in the first place.

Now, do I think all of this was right? Not entirely. I am glad the SCABs were forgiven so ExpressJet could become ALPA, however in retrospect I wish ALPA had just taken Express and let CAL to the wolves. But, that is not in our collective intrests. We should have every airline pilot in the same Union regardless of the past.

 

[Boeingman]

Also, keep in mind the majority of the CAL SCABs were never ALPA members.

Not true. A majority of the scabs are ex ALPA pilots and many of them were from Braniff. Quite a few also came from ALPA commuters who were fed up with the antics of ALPA. I used to have a breakdown of the list, but I believe over 70% were former ALPA pilots.

Now, do I think all of this was right? Not entirely. I am glad the SCABs were forgiven so ExpressJet could become ALPA, however in retrospect I wish ALPA had just taken Express and let CAL to the wolves. But, that is not in our collective intrests. We should have every airline pilot in the same Union regardless of the past.

Hmmmmm Interesting.

 

[Boeingman]

2) In his quest to bring more "preferred" members into "The Pilots' Union" has has staged PR events with Continental scabs and allowed scabs back into the union without a penny of back dues.

How do you assess back dues to pilots who resigned from the union or were never members of said union to begin with? Besides, as a collective process for the industry, it was better to get CAL back into the fold. To push for dues would of killed the vote anyway. Or is that what you wanted in the first place?

BTW, the EAL scabs were not forgiven and are still MIBS at this time.

 

[Capt. Caucasian]

Not true. A majority of the scabs are ex ALPA pilots and many of them were from Braniff. Quite a few also came from ALPA commuters who were fed up with the antics of ALPA. I used to have a breakdown of the list, but I believe over 70% were former ALPA pilots.

Are you refering to the scab statistics during '83-'85 or during the ALPA vote (2001)? At the time of the ALPA vote I believe the majority were never members of the old CALALPA. I guess that is what I was trying to say.

Also Boeingman, is there a chance that we know each other? I am the former XJT IAH FO Rep. (the one before ML).

Frats,

 

[Smoking Man]

I would like to show him with a certain finger he is number one, on his way out the door.

 

[Space Wrangler]

His resignation would go a long way toward fixing much of what's wrong with the infighting between pilot groups. This association needs someone who doesn't mend fences, but tears them down, instead. It's time for him to go -- early.


Maybe everyone should send him a little note: [email protected].

 

[jetexas]

CYA!


We need someone who will fight for labor regardless of position in the industry. Be it majors, regionals, or freighters..we are all being chased and divided by the dark cloud which is modern day airline management.

 

[surplus1]

I'm not a fan of the current President of the ALPA. Nevertheless, when you advocate replacement of an official, you must consider who the replacement will be and what if any changes (in your favor) might result.

The President of ALPA has little personal power. This particular president has even less. For practical purposes, he was appointed rather than "elected". There was no opposition, not for him or any of the others. He is in fact a "messenger" not a leader.

I he was removed, he will be replaced by another "appointee" of the same people that appointed him. The power lies with the MEC Chairmen of Delta, United, Northwest, USAirways and Continental. They have the votes to "elect" in reality whomever they want or to remove indirectly. They will just pick another one of their own in the same way they picked this guy. The same applies to the other three national officers.

The Executive Council is again ruled by the same people. Four votes from the four national officers (NWA, DAL, AAA, UAL). Another vote each from Delta, United, Northwest, Continental, USAirways and Federal Express. That's more than a majority. No important decision is ever in doubt. If the elephants want it, they get it.

The Executive Bord is full of MEC Chairmen. In theory they are all equal, but that's imagination. The real power rests once more with the same MEC Chairmen outlined above. Their weighted vote can carry the day by a wide margin. The rest of us are there for good photo ops. We get to raise our right hand and agree with what ever the powers decide as a gesture. There is no way to "win" unless they want us too. That's just the way it is.

You will never be able to change that for the powers that be are not about to give up any component of that power. There will be no reform of anything unless they want it. It is pretty obvious they do not.

Grin and bare it.

 

[USCtrojan]

His resignation would go a long way toward fixing much of what's wrong with the infighting between pilot groups. This association needs someone who doesn't mend fences, but tears them down, instead. It's time for him to go -- early.


Maybe everyone should send him a little note: [email protected].

With the KWAN worthless is making at National, NO WAY. He's gonna need to be shown the door.

 

[Boeingman]

Are you refering to the scab statistics during '83-'85 or during the ALPA vote (2001)? At the time of the ALPA vote I believe the majority were never members of the old CALALPA. I guess that is what I was trying to say.

Also Boeingman, is there a chance that we know each other? I am the former XJT IAH FO Rep. (the one before ML).

Frats,

I was reffering to the 83 - 85 time period. The one that referenced the comparison that I saw was posted in the strike center in mid to late 84.

I was stunned and in disbelief at why so many former ALPA members would cross. But seeing how things have been handled of late, I think history will repeat itself should the opportunity present itself.

No, sorry, I don't know any XJET guys.

 

[Capt. Caucasian]

No, sorry, I don't know any XJET guys.

You "sounded" strangely familiar from Calforums, that's why I asked. But, on the up side you know an XJT guy now .

 

[Captain X]

Need more specifics?

No thanks. But thank you for actually putting some "reasons" up here.