Wnbc Chopper Crash

[flyifrvfr]

A news helicopter, Chopper 4, crashed today in the Brooklyn section of New York. Three people were aboard Chopper 4 when something went wrong. The helicopter crashed on a roof while hovering above the scene of a shooting. First on the scene when Chopper 4 went down was Chopper 4.

 

[TonyC]

NewsChannel 4 Chopper Crashes In Brooklyn

POSTED: 6:32 pm EDT May 4, 2004
UPDATED: 7:35 pm EDT May 4, 2004

NEW YORK -- A NewsChannel 4 helicopter covering a shooting Tuesday in Brooklyn crashed on a rooftop.

Three occupants are in serious condition, but reportedly did not suffer life-threatening injuries.

The crash occurred at about 6:21 p.m. Callers to 911 reported seeing the helicopter "fall from the sky" and onto a rooftop, police said.

The shooting had been reported in the Flatbush section.

Police and emergency officials at the scene said the crew exhibited great skill in landing the disabled craft without causing injuries on the ground.

All onboard are employees of Heli-Net of California.



WNBC debuted television news via Chopper 4, April 18, 1995, on "Live at Five." It provides NewsChannel 4 with live aerial shots for up-to-the-minute coverage of breaking news.

© 2004 by WNBC.com The Associated Press contributed to this report. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

 

[PsubS]

flyifrvfr wrote:

First on the scene when Chopper 4 went down was Chopper 4.

Nice. You probably cheered when Ian Groom crashed in his Yak 54 off of Lauderdale this week as well.

People were injured--there is nothing to laugh about, jerk.

 

[KigAir]

I would not have thought that a shooting would be breaking news in NYC.

 

[Vladimir Lenin]

http://www.wnbc.com/index.html

video of it going down

ouch

 

[ThomasR]

Chopper Crash

Just Speculation

The only mechanical condition on a helicopter that sounds like a motorcycle is a bleed band failure. The aircraft will kick left as power is lost. The pilot only had a few feet to make it to a level area. With no forward airspeed he could not transition enough lift to slow his momentum causing him to hit the parapet.
Flying in the city is like flying in the mountains; no place to land.

 

[flyifrvfr]

flyifrvfr wrote:


Nice. You probably cheered when Ian Groom crashed in his Yak 54 off of Lauderdale this week as well.

People were injured--there is nothing to laugh about, jerk.

Yes, people were hurt but I can't do anything about that. I don't cheer when people lose their lives but I can find humor in every situation. If you don't like it, well too bad. I didn't crack the joke for your approval, infact, I couldn't care less about what you find humorous or offensive. What gives you the right to tell me what I can laugh about or not.

Your time would be better spent writing letters to congress to complain about whatever you find offensive today. If you try hard enough you could make it illegal for people to relieve stress by laughing. As I sit here and compose my response to you, I grow angrier and angrier at the type of person you are.

You feel that only your thoughts and feelings are proper. I bet you are the type of person who drives 55mph in the left hand lane and don't care about the people you are holding up behind you, because only you matter. Your life must be miserable, you spend so much time telling others what they should and shouldn't do that you probably neglect your own life. You are not the people police.

 

[flyifrvfr]

That looked like a tail rotor failure to me. I think the main rotor blades spin clockwise on this type of helicopter and losing the tail rotor would make the fuselage spin counter clockwise. I'm leaning towards tail rotor failure.

 

[ClassG]

psubs wrote:

flyifrvfr wrote:


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First on the scene when Chopper 4 went down was Chopper 4.
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Nice. You probably cheered when Ian Groom crashed in his Yak 54 off of Lauderdale this week as well.

People were injured--there is nothing to laugh about, jerk.



"Man, Irony is just WASTED on some people!"-Dave Chapelle

 

[flexlrpilot357]

The amazing thing is that another chopper was there to film the first chopper going down!

I swear, the whole world is under surveillance nowadays. Scary!

 

[EagleRJ]

About six years ago, one of the NY stations had another helo go down on live TV. It lost its engine and autorotated into some shallow water, as the other news helos watched. Everyone walked away.

Was that NY where a helicopter crashed in the early '90s or late '80s when the reporter was live on the radio? I think she survived, but the pilot was killed.
Hopefully most TV stations and police departments that operate over cities fly two-engine ships. There are still things that can go wrong, but at least that improves the chances.

flyifrvfr-
A little touchy, aren't we? Take a Paxil and chill out! Geeze...

 

[flyifrvfr]

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flyifrvfr-
A little touchy, aren't we? Take a Paxil and chill out! Geeze... [/B]

Your right, I should just let someone call me names and take it like a girl. I'm guessing from this response you are defending the one who says what I should say or do. Are you not doing the same thing as he. Why chime in if the response was not addressed towards you.

 

[Vortilon]

Channel 4 said this morning that everyone on board is in stable condition. Thank goodness....amazing how fast all that happened.

 

[PsubS]

flyifrvfr wrote:

As I sit here and compose my response to you, I grow angrier and angrier at the type of person you are.

Good. You should be mad. At yourself.

Actually, you have no idea of what I am like. I sleep soundly at night, kiss my children often (no tongue..) and don't worry about offending anyone on the internet. Perhaps I was too hard on you. You sound like such a moderate, temperate person.

The good news for all of us is that the folks on the helo survived--the video was astounding. I don't fly helos, but it appeared that the pilot did an outstanding job controlling a virtually uncontrollable aircraft.

He did a great job--seriously. It could have been much worse.

 

[StrykerFL]

W NNNNNNNNNNNN BC

 

[flyifrvfr]

flyifrvfr wrote:


Good. You should be mad. At yourself.

Actually, you have no idea of what I am like. I sleep soundly at night, kiss my children often (no tongue..)

There you go again telling someone whom you don't know what they should and should not do. I had you pegged from the start. You believe you are superior to everyone else. By the way, I don't care if you kiss your children with or without tongue. Do you think telling me you have children changes my perception of the type of person you are.

Maybe, just maybe, you will realize that the world and the people within it don't care about what you think. And as for being hard on some body ( I know I said hard on ) I'm guilty of that. I'm an agressive person when provoked, but I'm a kind and gentle person when not. I'm very predictable, I don't back down and god knows, I'm anything but fragile.

 

[chperplt]

flyifrvfr

You need to relax dude.

PsubS is NOT telling you what you should or shouldn't do. He was upset that you were making fun of an accident. Personally, I enjoyed the humor in what you wrote noting that everyone on board survived.

Just relax and maybe you should try to not be so confrontational. I said maybe, so I'm not trying to tell you what you should or shouldn't do.

 

[FN FAL]

The amazing thing is that another chopper was there to film the first chopper going down!

I swear, the whole world is under surveillance nowadays. Scary!

Many crimes have been solved thanks to security cameras on private premises. The Madison WI college student that faked her own kidnapping was one high profile case where police were able to obtain private security camera data and use it as an investigative tool. The recent kidnapping and murder of the young girl in Florida, was another high profile case where security cameras caught the abduction on tape and police made a successful arrest as a result.

These cases involve private cameras on private property and the data is "asked for" by the police in response to investigations. In these cases, fourth amendment is not an issue in regards to unreasonable search and seizure.

Another case that comes to mind is when government agencies such as police departments place surveillance cameras on the street in an effort to provide tools for law enforcement to investigate crimes such as street shootings, prostitution and drug dealing. These cameras have the ability to see at night, zoom in on car license plates and triangulate on the sound of gunfire, giving the police a shooters aproximate location instantly. These cameras are accessible to police laptops in patrol cars, through WI-FI technology. In these cases, there are not any fourth amendment issues, because the public cameras are mounted in a position to view things that occur in public places.

One recent case that occurred in MKE was the case where a private homeowner's security camera mounted on the outside of the house captured the brutal abuse a foster parent was issuing to a foster child in another home.

Here is the rub...the camera was pointed into the window of the other resident's home and was connected to their security system through wireless. A third party also had a video security system on wireless. By accident, the third party captured the video feed from the second party’s security system, thus capturing the abuse perpetrated by the first party against the child. The third party eventually saw this scene on their security tapes and made the tapes available to police. The police investigated further and made an arrest due to what was captured on the third party's tape, which was a video feed from the second party's video system.

We live in a new world of high tech gadgetry. I would expect that digital facial recognition cameras and biometric devices will capture our movement through public and private areas and we will see a lot of benefit from this in crime investigation, arrests and in the prevention of terrorism, theft and property damage.

I also see where it will make the world a little bit smaller as a result.

 

[FN FAL]

"Won't cost the taxpayers a dime..."

Here is a news story you may find interesting concerning video surveillance...http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/local_story_097142532.html

Police Cameras Detect Gunfire

VIDEO: Mike Parker reports.

Apr 6, 2004 1:23 pm US/Central
CHICAGO (CBS 2) Chicago police are adding 50 new high-tech police cameras that can detect gunfire miles away and trigger a warning for dispatchers so that they can immediately send officers to the scene.

When the first police cameras were installed last summer, police called the project "Operation Disruption," saying it was aimed at disrupting drug and gang activities in neighborhoods.

Soon the number of these cameras will more than double, and they will be amazingly high tech. The new cameras will be the first ones that contain the so-called gunshot detectors.

Starting in September, 50 new high-tech police surveillance cameras will be installed atop light poles in high crime neighborhoods.

They will not only keep an eye on the streets, they will be equipped with sensors that have the capacity to detect gunshots fired within camera range.

The sensors will send a message to the command room at police headquarters, a message that includes the location of the shots. 911 will then dispatch officers.

The city will also add those gunshot sensors to the 30 existing "cop cams" around the city.

"No other police department has embraced technology as much as the Chicago Police Department, as a tool to make communities safer,” said First Deputy Police Supt. Dana Starks.

Since the original 30 cameras were installed last summer, police say narcotics calls for service in surveillance areas are down 76 percent, and serious crime reports are down 17 percent.

Nellie Joyce Carter lives in one of the surveillance areas on the west side.

"The camera is monitoring the park, monitoring the children and the ground people and everything. I welcome it with open arms," she said.

"It’s basically placed where many poor people live, working people. And they want safety just as much as rich people. They don't want suburban kids coming in to buy heroin and cocaine. They want their kids safe on the streets,” Mayor Richard Daley said.

The price tag for this "eye in the sky" project is not cheap. It will cost $2.8 million. But it is to be paid for with money seized from drug dealers. The mayor says it won't cost taxpayers a dime.

 

[Typhoon1244]

You should be mad. At yourself.

Lighten up, Francis.

Personally, I thought his remark was funny. We're talking about folks whose bread-and-butter is the suffering of others. A news helicopter filming the crash of another news helicopter? Great! Bring me more!

I hope they sent batallions of reporters to the reporters' homes to shove microphones in their relatives faces and ask questions like "what were you feeling as you watched your loved ones spiraling toward certain doom?" Just like they do after any other disaster.

[End of rant.]

Hats off to the pilot(s)...looks like they did a teriffic job. Could have been much, much worse!