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:puke: :puke: :puke: Can somebody clean me up?:laugh:

.35 to .55 per 1000 lbs. This would probably bankrupt WN. :D My favorite quote: "Ron Ricks, Southwest's senior vice president of law, airports and public affairs, said the airline is OK with an increase of 20 cents in landing fees but not more than that. "If that's going to change, we have to go back and reconsider," Mr. Ricks said. This is the subtle threat to move the headquarters only. There's no way they would give up DAL as a destination.


[SIZE=+1]Dallas: Airport hopes to offset deficit with 57% boost in landing charge
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[SIZE=-1]05:55 AM CST on Tuesday, January 10, 2006

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[SIZE=-1]By KATIE FAIRBANK and TANYA EISERER / The Dallas Morning News [/SIZE]
Landing fees at Love Field would jump 57 percent under a plan presented Monday to a Dallas City Council committee, resulting in the same rate charged by the airport three decades ago.

The increase from 35 cents to 55 cents per 1,000 pounds still places Love Field far below the average landing fees charged by similar airports.

"If we were charging the landing fee that was just average, we'd be making an additional $5 million, and landing fees would be 19 percent of total revenues," said council member Angela Hunt. "Frankly, the 55-cent fee is 20 years out of date."

Dallas Love Field first set a 55-cent landing fee in 1975. Twelve years later, the City Council offered a fee structure to encourage airlines to operate quieter airplanes at the airport.

Fees for older, noisier aircraft remained at 55 cents per 1,000 pounds, while newer, quieter aircraft paid 35 cents. By 2000, the Federal Aviation Administration required that all aircraft be the quieter version. Even so, Love Field kept the 35-cent landing fee.

Council member Ron Natinsky said the fees should have bounced back up years ago when the lower rate was no longer necessary as an incentive. "We missed revenue," he said

Airports try to balance their revenues and expenditures because by federal law, they are supposed to try to break even. They can't make too much of a surplus or they can be sued for overcharging the airlines and tenants. If they make too little, they run the risk of not being able to deal with emergencies.
Love Field historically ran a surplus until recently. But things have changed. A review of the airport's finances last week by The Dallas Morning News showed that the Aviation Department had a $20 million shortfall over two recent fiscal years, resulting in a drop in the airport's bond rating and an inquiry by city auditors.

Dave Cook, the city's chief financial officer, said the staff is "recommending the 55 cents now because, as the picture shows, that rate provides us with slightly better than break-even."

Aviation director Kenneth Gwyn said the fee increase, along with additional flights at the airport because of a change in the Wright amendment allowing flights to Missouri, is projected to add about $476,000 in revenues in fiscal year 2006 and would put the airport's finances back in the black by fiscal year 2007.

However, council members asked why it has taken so long to increase fees and why they're only going up 20 cents, especially because the landing fees would still be as much as $1.48 less than the average rate at comparably sized airports. Meanwhile, parking and concession rates are some of the highest.

"Why don't we put some of this on the backs of the major airlines?" Ms. Hunt asked.

Ron Ricks, Southwest's senior vice president of law, airports and public affairs, said the airline is OK with an increase of 20 cents in landing fees but not more than that. "If that's going to change, we have to go back and reconsider," Mr. Ricks said.

The issue will go before the City Council on Feb. 22 for a decision. If the council approves the new rates, they would go into effect April 1.

Accounting questioned

During the meeting, council members also questioned other accounting at the Aviation Department, in particular fund balances that don't match up and the legality of a $2.3 million loan to the 911 fund without full City Council approval.

The April 2004 transfer was discovered during a May audit of the 911 fund, which was created from emergency services fees to support the 911 phone system.

Mr. Natinsky compared the loan to dipping into a child's college fund and then "telling them, 'Don't worry, I'll give it to you before you go to college.' I just see a concern when we start moving [money] from the left pocket to the right pocket," he said.

Mr. Cook said the transfer was legal but told council members that in the future, similar transfers would be brought before the full City Council for approval. He also assured the council members that the money would be repaid with interest to the aviation fund.

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Man I landed there once in a Cessna 172RG and they never charged me. With interest it might be up to about 46 cents now.. uhoh...
 
Just the start for SWA

What is SWA going to do if it does not negotiate the price it wants at DAL? Move to DFW. SWA is going to pay.

Not only is SWA going to have this type of fight at DAL but just wait till the FAA 10 year reauthorization fight begins later this year.

Aviation Trust Fund deposits are going to change from the current ticket tax percentage and fuel tax fees to aircraft cycles to make all aviation users, ie corporate, pay their fair share.

SWA's cheap tickets paying cheap percentages is advantagous now but changing to a cycles payment system will will have SWA paying its fair share of the National Airspace Systems usage into the ATF and lowering the burden of the low cycle international carriers.
 
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matt1.1 said:
What is SWA going to do if it does not negotiate the price it wants at DAL? Move to DFW. SWA is going to pay.

Not only is SWA going to have this type of fight at DAL but just wait till the FAA 10 year reauthorization fight begins later this year.

Aviation Trust Fund deposits are going to change from the current ticket tax percentage and fuel tax fees to aircraft cycles to make all aviation users, ie corporate, pay their fair share.

SWA's cheap tickets paying cheap percentages is advantagous now but changing to a cycles payment system will will have SWA paying its fair share of the National Airspace Systems usage into the ATF and lowering the burden of the low cycle international carriers.

Won't change-not even close. The NBAA is too powerful.
 
NBAA has monthly changing leadership

miles otoole said:
Won't change-not even close. The NBAA is too powerful.

The FAA has never been properly funded. And whatever scheme Ted Stevens (R-AK) can dream up to divert more money to bridges to nowhere, I guarantee will occur.
 
Its a funding system that does not work!

User fees a likely part of future FAA funding plan

By Paul Lowe / January 2006




Congress may have approved FAA funding for Fiscal Year 2006 before it adjourned for the Thanksgiving holiday, but the drumbeat for user fees in future years continues. Within days of the passing of the $13.8 billion budget, FAA Administrator Marion Blakey was telling the Washington Aero Club that her agency needed a revenue stream that is tied to the actual cost of services.
“As you’ve heard me say many times before, the taxes that fuel the trust fund will expire in 2007,” she said. “What we need is a constant, stable revenue stream that’s related to the actual cost of the services we provide.”
She continued, “Our ability to pay the operations bills is literally tied to the price of a ticket,” she said. “With low-cost carriers driving the market…and more and smaller aircraft up there…we have reduced income and increased workload. It’s an equation that doesn’t work.”[URL="http://www.ainonline.com/images/more.gif"]http://www.ainonline.com/images/more.gif[/URL]
 
matt1.1 said:
The FAA has never been properly funded. And whatever scheme Ted Stevens (R-AK) can dream up to divert more money to bridges to nowhere, I guarantee will occur.
Seems to me I just read something bout this. I think the annual outlay is around $9B per year for the airlines, and the airlines want corp jets to kick in their fair share. I think corp pays around 4% of the tab but uses 16% of the system. I think I'll sell my netjet shares.:)
 
Matt1.1..............12 posts and all of them attacking Southwest, or one of it's pilots. What is your real screen name? Give it up loser, your tirade against Southwest makes you look like the moron that you are. What happened? Stuck as a CFI? If you were a reputable pilot you would have the decency to post where you are currently employed, or is it too embarassing? Lowecur, your son needs some therapy.:puke: :laugh: :smash:
 
canyonblue said:
Lowecur, your son needs some therapy.:puke: :laugh: :smash:
Just noticed your avatar. I couldn't figure out why someone had a picture of Wayne Cochran in drag. Then I looked closer and it was my favorite fight scene with Bob Barker. Man, he's one mean sob.:laugh:
 
Other than Happy's girlfriend carrying the pitchers of beer in her nightie, the Bob Barker fight scene is the best one in that movie.
 
Dallas wil NOT be raising landing fees. I had a meeting with senior management yesterday (11th), and asked Herb this very question. According to Herb, Dallas has a surplus of funds. In fact, the surplus is being used to service the debt on the new parking garage. The garage will be paid off in the next 2-3 years, which leads me to wonder what project will be taken on next at the airport. By airport charter, excess funds generated by the airport, through passenger fees, can only be used FOR the airport.

Not to worry kidos, I assure you landing fees wil not be raised. Again, this comes from Herbs mouth.

Let me add this. The airport may raise landing fees on aircraft that don't meet stage three noise restrictions. Moot point for SWA and soon AA.
 
I think the "Suck my white a$$, ball" sequence is hysterical.

Someone enlighten me. How does "WN' translate to SWA?
 
Tired of the SWA pilot chest pounding

canyonblue said:
Matt1.1..............12 posts and all of them attacking Southwest, or one of it's pilots. What is your real screen name? Give it up loser, your tirade against Southwest makes you look like the moron that you are. What happened? Stuck as a CFI? If you were a reputable pilot you would have the decency to post where you are currently employed, or is it too embarassing? Lowecur, your son needs some therapy.:puke: :laugh: :smash:

FLAMEBAITING--- The only positions that flys around here are SWA positions. Anything contrary to the SWA cool-aid fest is non-PC here at flightinfo.com.

There is such a SWA bias on all the threads here it completely misrepresents the facts.

And counting the number of posts or spell checking errors is not valid criticism. So hammer and puck away because I could careless.
 
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because I could careless.
I believe that you meant .... could care less. (with a space)

Also, what is "hammer and puck away"? Is that "hammer and peck away"?

The only positions that flys

Keeping your nouns and verbs in agreement, this should read "The only positions that fly......"


Matt 1-1 appears to have not graduated from 4th grade yet. Lay off the PSII and study your english some more.


Just kidding, keep the funny stuff coming, Matt.
 

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