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jegermeister

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NTSB: Wind blew Lidle plane off course
By LESLIE MILLER, Associated Press Writer 1 minute ago


A light wind was cited by federal investigators Friday for blowing a small airplane carrying Yankees pitcher Cory Lidle off course and into a New York City high-rise on Oct. 11.
The National Transportation Safety Board said the wind, coupled with the pilot's inability to turn sharply, forced the aircraft away from its intended path over the East River and into the building.
The airplane, which also carried flight instructor Tyler Stanger, struck the building and fell 30 stories to the street below. Investigators do not say whether they determined who was at the controls of the Cirrus SR20.
The report issued Friday said the airplane was flying along the East River between Manhattan and Queens when it attempted a U-turn with only 1,300 feet of room for the turn. To make a successful turn, the aircraft would have had to bank so steeply that it might have stalled, the NTSB said in an update on the crash.
Lidle and Stanger were making an aerial tour of Manhattan before flying back to California.
Though Stanger was an experienced pilot, Lidle was not.
Investigators found no problem with the propeller and engine, nor did they find any evidence of a fire or other damage while the airplane was in flight.
If the pilot used the full width of the river to turn, he would have had 2,100 feet, the NTSB said. Instead, the pilot was flying closer to the middle of the river, leaving a smaller margin for error, the staff report said.
Two days after the accident, the Federal Aviation Administration ordered small, fixed-wing planes not to fly over the East River unless the pilot is in contact with air traffic controllers.
Small planes could previously fly below 1,100 feet along the river without filing flight plans or checking in with air traffic control. The FAA said the rule change — a temporary one — was made for safety reasons.
The NTSB's update outlined factual information about the crash, but did not conclude what the probable cause of the crash was. The full board will likely vote on a ruling at a later date.
 
Will nervous passengers now ask us if there are any "light winds" up there today?
 
I thought the building was 400 or 500 feet tall? Why is it that he hit the building about 3/4 of the way up? What am i missing? Do they fly that low there?
 
I thought the building was 400 or 500 feet tall? Why is it that he hit the building about 3/4 of the way up? What am i missing? Do they fly that low there?

I believe you have to be at or below 1000'. LGA is right there if your going down the East River.

What they probably meant in the article, is they turned downwind(with the wind) and the increased radius of turn from the increased GS, put them into the buildings. The rivier isn't very wide, so I could see something like that causing a scary situation.
 
Is the Cirrus a regional a/c??? Was Lidle a regional pilot? How is this thread germaine to anything in the regional industry?
 
Something I used to tell my student pilots: "The airplane is where you put it."

C
 
consider a cirrus goes faster than a warrior or 172 that he probably trained in, and as your speed increases so does your turning radius.

Also consider pilots' absolute aversion to anything that might put their certificates as risk, even at the risk of their lives. Had they climbed a few hundred feet they would have busted LGA airspace but they wouldn't be a wreck in a building.
 
AH how cute did the brand new commercial pilot just learn how to do a chandelle!
Whomp! Whomp! Whoooooomp!

but my guess is that they were not goint through that area too fast (130-180 kias) .my guess would be around 100kias in that high traffic area. so i dont think it was too much airplane for them..if anything the airplane being to much would of benifited them if they need to perform some time of high AOA ,high power manuever to avoide hitting that building. I just think its a issue of situational awareness.
 
What do you guys think chuck norris would have done in this situation?

Jumped out in front of the plane and roundhouse kicked his way through the building, thus clearing a path for the Cirrus.
 
In other news a "light wind" blew my girlfriend out of bed this morning. Update on the 10pm news!
 
What do you guys think chuck norris would have done in this situation?

Dude...nice Chuck segway...IMHO in this situation Chuck would have punched his way throught the roof of the plastic Cirrus, grabbed the chute in one hand and the CFI in the other and parachuted to safety into the Hudson.
 

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