Win for Jetblue pilots

[CesnaCaptn]

I do. Today, we won.

What exactly did you win?

 

[ultrarunner]

Hmmmm....

Wouldn't a CBA fix all those "pay issues" surrounding your PEA?

 

[Bluejob]

It would be an internal union affair except the JB pilots decided their own fate signing a contract for themselves and now are mired in arbitration hell. Good luck!!!

Thanks, we won today.

 

[Bluejob]

What exactly did you win?

The lawsuit. Over 4 years, but the pilots won.

 

[Bluejob]

Hmmmm....

Wouldn't a CBA fix all those "pay issues" surrounding your PEA?

More than likely. I voted yes.

 

[CesnaCaptn]

The lawsuit. Over 4 years, but the pilots won.

I tried to skim through this thread to figure out a dollar amount you were suing for. What percentage or dollar amount are the airbus pilots expecting? Is there some sort of lump sum retro and then raise going forward? All I've seen so far is that bus pilots want the same percentage raise as the 190 pilots.

 

[banger]

Looks like Bluepilots is melting down with all the chatter

 

[kommutrdog]

What's the consensus? I don't log into there as I get too cranked up about things.

 

[Splert]

Ok, I get it. You want money by any means necessary. And you have had many broken promises and lost some pay and benefits to pay for other pay issues within your pilot group.

I am NOT a blue tampon. Period. However, how can the company ever bring E90 pay to parity with the airbus? You will sue them again if they try, and you probably won't sign a PEA amendment that allows them to bring pay on the E90 up to parity, just to stick it to them...

So, in typical pilot fashion, as long as you get yours, you don't care.

Yeah, you can tell the story of how the company introduced the pay rates artificially low, and that it is their fault the rates were so low. Fine, but you are basically mandating that the rates remain artificailly low which only hurts hundreds of your own pilots. Not that you care. And many of those pilots are NOT the nod-your-head and worship at the JB alter types, like myself. But again you don't care.

You can tell the stories about simply wanting them to honor the contract, but the truth is you want MONEY. No matter what.

So what is the go-forward compromise that you (and your buddies) will accept to make sure there is not a permenant second class B scale at JetBlue?

It was airbus pilots that proved to leadership the PSIA formula of 90/65 and your are benefiting from those rates now because of airbus pilots on the PCRB.

It is the company now that points to current Jetblue E190 rates and compares them to the industry E190 rates and says jetblue E190 pilots are are over compensated. AirBus pilots on the PVC (not a single E190 pilot) keeps pointing to the PSIA formula of category 1, 2 and 3 Aircrafts (established by the all airbus PCRB) not A320 to A320 comparisons or E190 to E190 comparisons.

It is my under standing that ALL 3A pilots under contract going forward get the bump.. That means A320 and E190 get the 26.7%. You were not under contract before 2007. Your bitching about Airbus pilots vs E190 when your beef is really you were hired to late. The dividing line is NOT Airbus pilot v E190 pilots it is pre 2007 hire and post 2007 hire. There are 1100 pilots hired AFTER 2007 and they are all NOT E190 pilots.

They are jetblue pilots.

 

[B6Busdriver]

The lawsuit. Over 4 years, but the pilots won.

It's not a lawsuit. It's arbitration using the JetBlue dispute resolution process. Own it bluejet mgmt.

 

[B6Busdriver]

I tried to skim through this thread to figure out a dollar amount you were suing for. What percentage or dollar amount are the airbus pilots expecting? Is there some sort of lump sum retro and then raise going forward? All I've seen so far is that bus pilots want the same percentage raise as the 190 pilots.

Should be big $$$ but in the end it will be pennies on the dollar

 

[kommutrdog]

It is my under standing that ALL 3A pilots under contract going forward get the bump.. That means A320 and E190 get the 26.7%. You were not under contract before 2007. Your bitching about Airbus pilots vs E190 when your beef is really you were hired to late. The dividing line is NOT Airbus pilot v E190 pilots it is pre 2007 hire and post 2007 hire. There are 1100 pilots hired AFTER 2007 and they are all NOT E190 pilots.

My head hurts just reading this. What a frigging mess.

 

[banger]

Should be big $$$ but in the end it will be pennies on the dollar

Usually you are correct under a CBA but not here. I think this will really be big $$. But of course until I see the $$ I'm not counting it.

 

[kommutrdog]

Although not part of 3A what I like about the decision is that it calls into question JB Legal's judgement on what is and/or is not valid in the PEA.

So, when they tell us that "Yes, you have seniority list integration protections provided for under McCaskill-Bond" we can now point out how very wrong they were about 3A and that no one should take their word for it.

Just an example. I think this can severly cripple the credibility of their propaganda press releases, if it is played correctly.

 

[CTflyer]

Although not part of 3A what I like about the decision is that it calls into question JB Legal's judgement on what is and/or is not valid in the PEA.

So, when they tell us that "Yes, you have seniority list integration protections provided for under McCaskill-Bond" we can now point out how very wrong they were about 3A and that no one should take their word for it.

Just an example. I think this can severly cripple the credibility of their propaganda press releases, if it is played correctly.

This post should be read by all the no voters/BoB types.

Best post of the year in my view.

 

[AKAAB]

From the SEC 8-K filing on May 28, 2013.
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Item 7.01. Regulation FD.


As previously disclosed in our periodic filings, a group of current and former pilots commenced arbitration in a base pay dispute related to compensation under their Pilot Employment Agreements (PEA). The arbitrator issued his decision yesterday, on May 28, 2013, denying the claims from 2009, but determining that the 2007 pay adjustments for certain pilots triggered a provision of the PEA under his interpretation of the agreement. The Company is evaluating the decision and next steps. ​

 

[Ski-N-Fly]

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