Will We EVER see an International ATPL?

[A Squared]

actually if you were using a seminole in a FAR 135 op for passenger carrying the PIC would need an ATP because any multiengine airplane used in passenger carrying under 135 requres an ATP.

Are you sure? I've tried to find thies requirement in the regs and haven't been able to. Can you give me a reference?

Also if you were flying a grand caravan (12 seat version) you would need a single enginge atp because it's a passenger carrying op with over 10 seats.

OK, this is another one, I've heard this stated on several occasions, and haven't been able to find it in the regulations. What am I missing?

 

[A Squared]

OK, I see the bit about ATP required for more than 10 pax seats, I just wasn't reading 135.243(a)(1) carefully enough. I'm not sure I can see that *any* multi pax flight requires an ATP, just if it's a "comuter operation" On-demand charters wouldn't qualify as a commuter operation, or am I still missing something?

 

[WMUSIGPI]

that is true I believe. And an example of this would be Cape Air. Though they use twin Cessnas not Seminoles, still piston twins. Requiring an ATP though no type rating.

 

[metrodriver]

135.243 talks about commuter operations which in part 119 are difined as published flights 5x a week between the same points with less than 9 seats and less than 5700lbs payload. So if it is chater you can use your seminole with a CPL, as a commuter you need an ATPL.
On a different note: everything turbine powered or multi-engine requires a type rating in europe, no matter what the weight. You also need to fly a minimum amount of hours per year per type rated airplane to stay legal

 

[TangoIndiaMike]

Euro vs. American ATPL

One other point to add:

Most European pilots (according to what I hear anyway) don't need a college degree. All those written tests for the JAA ATPL-which include essays, etc. basically equate to a college education.

Meanwhile, back in the US, most pilots aspiring to join a major will need a college degree.

Maybe the US written tests are easy (they are), however, that 4-year degree--a real one anyway, is not quite so easy.

 

[727gm]

Another reason for the HIGH cost for obtaining(and maintaining)various EU countries' ATPL that haven't yet been raised is the European class system, where the elite can't imagine anyone from outside their class being allowed to become an airline pilot, much less having their sons flying for a captain who comes from the common people.

 

[Aerosmith]

Huh...?