Will UPS have dedicated DHL flights?

[shooter]

I don't understand this. Will UPS have dedicated DHL flights that are 100% DHL freight? Why would they do something like this when they will just fly freight on UPS aircraft and sort in UPS hubs? Does UPS not have a ramp in Flint maybe?

Building A Concrete Apron

Expansion will service aircraft for a new DHL building at Flint airport

By Aram Kalousdian, Editor -- Michigan Contractor and Builder, 6/16/2008

A cargo area apron expansion for a new DHL building at Bishop International Airport in Flint is under construction. The project includes paving concrete apron 17 inches thick that will service aircraft for the new DHL building. Six-S Inc., of Waterford Township, is the prime contractor for the project. The apron is located on the south side of old Bristol Road. Approximately 29,000 square yards of P-501 airport specification concrete is being placed for the apron.

A new 220-vehicle parking lot for the new DHL building has also been constructed on the north side of old Bristol Road. That consists of 15,000 tons of modified Michigan Department of Transportation 3C/4C hot mix asphalt pavement, sand subbase and aggregate base. There is new electrical and lighting for the apron and parking lot.

The project includes 13,900 cubic yards of sand subbase and 4,250 cubic yards of P-209 crushed aggregate base course for the apron and parking lot. New drainage features are also included in the parking lot and the apron, which consist of approximately 2,500 feet of storm sewer ranging from 12-inch-diameter concrete pipe to 30-inch-diameter concrete pipe.

"Old Bristol Road was widened to provide access to the apron and parking lot," Tim Baugher, project manager for Six-S Inc., said.

The approximately $2.3-million project began in September 2007 and it is expected to be completed in July. Subcontractors on the project include Ace Asphalt, of Flint (hot mix asphalt paving) and C&G Myers, of Milford (underground).



Project: Concrete apron construction and a new parking lot for DHL at Bishop International Airport in Flint

Prime contractor: Six-S Inc., of Waterford Township

Cost: Approximately $2.3 million

http://www.acppubs.com/article/CA6569083.html?industryid=48562

 

[AV8OR]

Shooter,

What you don't understand is that as soon as it's completed, DHL plans to shut it down but not sell it, use the UPS ramp instead, and then b!tch to the world about how expensive it is to fly in and out of Flint!!!

Yeah.....that sounds about right.

 

[shooter]

Shooter,

What you don't understand is that as soon as it's completed, DHL plans to shut it down but not sell it, use the UPS ramp instead, and then b!tch to the world about how expensive it is to fly in and out of Flint!!!

Yeah.....that sounds about right.

LOL, that sounds like them alright. It sure is confusing for them them to continue a ramp expansion they will never use. The parking lot, sure but its already done. Maybe it was a contract and they had to follow through. But they are not so stellar on their contract promises of past so I'm still confused.

 

[Browntothebone]

We do not currently fly to FNT. We have a large presence in LAN with multiple flights and a large number of feeders that service the smaller cities in Michigan. If there is enough volume to justify a dedicated flight to FNT, UPS will probably fly it, otherwise FNT volume will go to LAN and be trucked to FNT.

 

[Joblio]

What's wrong with the sort facility in CVG?!? UPS flies there, it's easy trucking from SDF... crazy I tell ya.

 

[Browntothebone]

What's wrong with the sort facility in CVG?!? UPS flies there, it's easy trucking from SDF... crazy I tell ya.

UPS does not fly to CVG.

 

[Joblio]

Oops - I'm relying on my hazy memory, that must have been purple I saw there, not brown.

 

[shooter]

We do not currently fly to FNT. We have a large presence in LAN with multiple flights and a large number of feeders that service the smaller cities in Michigan. If there is enough volume to justify a dedicated flight to FNT, UPS will probably fly it, otherwise FNT volume will go to LAN and be trucked to FNT.

That could explain the continued construction. Thanks, I did not know if you guys serviced it from air already.

 

[PreContact]

The 2 airports are only 50 miles away, doubt highly we would fly to FNT. LAN is a pretty big opertion for us. Everything going to Michigan minus Detroit goes to LAN.

 

[OzBushWhacker]

DHL have cancelled most of the feeder operators as of the end of this month. Seems they will be trucking most of that freight.

 

[xspud]

At the rate they're going, it won't take much of a truck. By the end of summer, the pax seat of my mini should be more than adequate for most cities.

Sorry to hear it feeder guys, it's been good to know ya.

 

[NAAPilot]

DHL's mentality is a guessing game at this point. If their past history is any indication, get out while you can. Why build a multi million dollar sort facility in CVG and pretty much never use it. Then abandon the very foundation of your aviation delivery by moving the lift to UPS...a competitor. ABX and Astar you have my deepest sympathies.

 

[DC8CRIVER]

NAA,

Thanks for the kind words. I think I speak for the vast majority of Astar and ABX pilots when I say that we sincerely appreciate the kind words and encouragement.

Just two things:

1. Protect yourselves, your retirement, your salaries, your jobs, and your families. We're not the only two airlines with pilots on or about to be on the streets. With our screwed up economy and oil going through the stratosphere, any one of us could be next.

2. If your airline is kind enough to invite us in for a talk, we'd be mighty appreciative because I'm pretty sure we can nail an interview, do a really good job of helping you fly your planes, and give you all just as much of a cushion for your seniority list as you can stand.

8

 

[Whistlin' Dan]

I don't understand this. Will UPS have dedicated DHL flights that are 100% DHL freight? Why would they do something like this when they will just fly freight on UPS aircraft and sort in UPS hubs? Does UPS not have a ramp in Flint maybe?

The reason for the separate ramp may be that UPS wants DHL to maintain a branded presence in the US in order to avoid problems with scope when the joint product moves overseas.

 

[l8fr82hub]

A DHL "branded" ramp?

 

[AV8OR]

The reason for the separate ramp may be that UPS wants DHL to maintain a branded presence in the US in order to avoid problems with scope when the joint product moves overseas.

Right up until the US infrastructure is gone. And then, there won't be a DHL brand when UPS tells DHL, "Did we say a billion dollars? Mmm sorry it's really gonna take about 3 Billion to move your freight. Now if you'll just sign right here, we'll get back to moving your freight."

If this deal goes through, and it most likely will, DHL's toast.

 

[shooter]

It's a done deal. The Germans will not change their minds.

Fisher said DHL is willing to explore options, but made it clear that it intends to move forward with the UPS deal.

http://www.whiotv.com/news/16634771/detail.html

My guess is that is the loose translation they printed. I think the real translation is something like: "If you want to waste your breath, go ahead and talk. But I am going forward with this deal...". Now for the part that they all left out: "...even if it kills us".

Brought to you by; Hans, Fritz, & Horst. :laugh:

Guten Tag!

 

[Whistlin' Dan]

A DHL "branded" ramp?

Maybe not the ramp, per se, but the product. Maintaining a unique identity to the product, aside from the markings on the boxes and waybills, is probably necessary to keep UPS' unions from crying "Foul!" The immediate loss of jobs for Astar/ABX here will be matched by slow/no growth for IPA guys overseas.


I can't see any other reason UPS would want to climb into bed with DHL on this deal. Let's face it...customers have been migrating over to UPS and FedEx in droves ever since the merger. Why would they bail out their biggest International competitor? All they had to do was wait DHL out, and at some point they (or FedEX) would have had the business anyway.

UPS is not some magnanimous company. They see this as a win-win deal for them.

 

[shooter]

All they had to do was wait DHL out, and at some point they (or FedEX) would have had the business anyway.

UPS is not some magnanimous company. They see this as a win-win deal for them.

The experts already agree with you. But now its on a fast track.

Analysts suggest that the decision of DHL to pull back from the U.S. express market may help FedEx grab a bigger share of the business.

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2008/06/17/ap5125928.html

 

[MACHTRANSDUCER]

The experts already agree with you. But now its on a fast track.



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