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Steering a new course through the skies

Airline mergers could face tough scrutiny in Congress as U.S. Rep. James Oberstar takes over a key House committee.
Liz Fedor, Star Tribune Last update: December 03, 2006 – 4:23 PM




U.S. Rep. James Oberstar intends to take a hard look at potential airline mergers in the coming months because he knows that fusing two carriers together often causes pain for employees and hurts some consumers.
The Minnesota Democrat already is scrutinizing the proposed US Airways-Delta merger.

Next month, Oberstar will assume the chairmanship of the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, where he will be well-positioned to raise concerns in the event that a wave of consolidation sweeps the airline industry next year, as some observers predict.

While airlines don't need congressional approval to merge, Oberstar's post gives him the ability to spotlight antitrust issues that the Justice Department is legally obliged to examine.

"People are saying there is overcapacity" and that some seats should be removed from the market, Oberstar said. But he sees carriers flying with many full planes and argues "there is a lack of substantial competition" on many routes.

Oberstar, who was reelected to a 17th House term last month, gave his assessment of the state of the airline industry and talked about his oversight role during an interview last week with the Star Tribune.
The only member of the Minnesota delegation who was serving in Congress when the airline industry was deregulated in 1978, he sees that move as a success.

"There's no question about the success of deregulation," Oberstar said. "It has created seamless travel, more nonstops, more destinations, more opportunities." By taking the government out of the pricing business, consumers are saving about $6.5 billion a year on fares, he argued.

"So when mergers and acquisitions and leveraged buyouts are considered," Oberstar said, "my first thought is: Is the result going to be undoing the consumer benefits of deregulation?"

The latest round of merger speculation began Nov. 15, when US Airways CEO Doug Parker made a hostile move to acquire bankrupt Delta Air Lines. On Thursday, US Airways executives had their first meeting with Delta's creditors committee in an attempt to win their support for the deal.

"US Airways has hardly digested the merger with America West," Oberstar said, referring to the lingering labor and operational issues from the combination of those two carriers in the fall of 2005.

US Airways and Delta now compete on about 155 domestic routes, and Oberstar said he has directed his staff to examine the impact of a merger on those routes.

"What does this do in markets where the two carriers are now competing? Who are the other competitors in those markets? Will some cities lose out? Will travelers [end up] paying higher fares? Those are the questions that I think have to be evaluated before you can make a judgment on whether this proposed merger would be in the overall best public interest," Oberstar said.
Eagan-based Northwest Airlines also is considered a merger candidate, with Continental and American considered as potential partners -- or Delta, if the deal with US Airways doesn't happen.

After current Northwest board chairman Gary Wilson and businessman Al Checchi led a leveraged buyout of Northwest in 1989, Oberstar said they spent a lot of time and money examining possible mergers. Ultimately, he said, Northwest chose instead to pursue code-sharing agreements with carriers such as Continental. Those alliances allow passengers to travel on two airlines for a single trip, but gain the ticketing and baggage-handling convenience of flying on one.

Northwest's last merger was 20 years ago when it combined with Republic Airlines, and Oberstar said he saw a "clash of cultures," which is typical of any merger.

In the days after the merger, Oberstar said, "I'd stop and ask station managers how things were going, and they'd whisper, 'I am a Republic guy and Northwest is a long-haul [airline]. We are a short-haul [airline]. They don't understand how to do things.' "

Oberstar did not say which airline he believes might emerge as the most likely merger partner for Northwest, but he did indicate that he sees the Eagan-based company facing stiffer competition to expand U.S. flights to China. Specifically, he doesn't believe that the U.S. Department of Transportation will grant Northwest authority for a hotly contested new route to China.

There is a four-way competition for the China route, and Northwest has proposed that it be between Detroit and Shanghai. Oberstar categorized Northwest and Continental as "second-tier players" in the competition.
"From the standpoint of competition, it might be a better decision by DOT to award service to American [Dallas to Beijing], provided their service will challenge United," Oberstar said. By mid-December, he intends to make a recommendation to the department, and he said that he will likely suggest the route go to American or United.

Oberstar said he has talked often this year with Northwest and Mesaba Airlines employees as they've faced big concessions, which he said have "left very deep resentment." Now, he said, it is "incumbent upon management at Northwest and Mesaba" to sit down with their employees "and win their trust."
Liz Fedor • 612-673-7709 • [email protected]
 
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Just depends on who owns him. Delta or USAir? No politician in the limelight will "do the right thing". They only do what their masters tell them to do. TC
 
Steering a new course through the skies

Airline mergers could face tough scrutiny in Congress as U.S. Rep. James Oberstar takes over a key House committee.
Liz Fedor, Star Tribune Last update: December 03, 2006 – 4:23 PM




U.S. Rep. James Oberstar intends to take a hard look at potential airline mergers in the coming months because he knows that fusing two carriers together often causes pain for employees and hurts some consumers.
The Minnesota Democrat already is scrutinizing the proposed US Airways-Delta merger.

Next month, Oberstar will assume the chairmanship of the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, where he will be well-positioned to raise concerns in the event that a wave of consolidation sweeps the airline industry next year, as some observers predict.

While airlines don't need congressional approval to merge, Oberstar's post gives him the ability to spotlight antitrust issues that the Justice Department is legally obliged to examine.

"People are saying there is overcapacity" and that some seats should be removed from the market, Oberstar said. But he sees carriers flying with many full planes and argues "there is a lack of substantial competition" on many routes.

Oberstar, who was reelected to a 17th House term last month, gave his assessment of the state of the airline industry and talked about his oversight role during an interview last week with the Star Tribune.
The only member of the Minnesota delegation who was serving in Congress when the airline industry was deregulated in 1978, he sees that move as a success.

"There's no question about the success of deregulation," Oberstar said. "It has created seamless travel, more nonstops, more destinations, more opportunities." By taking the government out of the pricing business, consumers are saving about $6.5 billion a year on fares, he argued.

"So when mergers and acquisitions and leveraged buyouts are considered," Oberstar said, "my first thought is: Is the result going to be undoing the consumer benefits of deregulation?"

The latest round of merger speculation began Nov. 15, when US Airways CEO Doug Parker made a hostile move to acquire bankrupt Delta Air Lines. On Thursday, US Airways executives had their first meeting with Delta's creditors committee in an attempt to win their support for the deal.

"US Airways has hardly digested the merger with America West," Oberstar said, referring to the lingering labor and operational issues from the combination of those two carriers in the fall of 2005.

US Airways and Delta now compete on about 155 domestic routes, and Oberstar said he has directed his staff to examine the impact of a merger on those routes.

"What does this do in markets where the two carriers are now competing? Who are the other competitors in those markets? Will some cities lose out? Will travelers [end up] paying higher fares? Those are the questions that I think have to be evaluated before you can make a judgment on whether this proposed merger would be in the overall best public interest," Oberstar said.
Eagan-based Northwest Airlines also is considered a merger candidate, with Continental and American considered as potential partners -- or Delta, if the deal with US Airways doesn't happen.

After current Northwest board chairman Gary Wilson and businessman Al Checchi led a leveraged buyout of Northwest in 1989, Oberstar said they spent a lot of time and money examining possible mergers. Ultimately, he said, Northwest chose instead to pursue code-sharing agreements with carriers such as Continental. Those alliances allow passengers to travel on two airlines for a single trip, but gain the ticketing and baggage-handling convenience of flying on one.

Northwest's last merger was 20 years ago when it combined with Republic Airlines, and Oberstar said he saw a "clash of cultures," which is typical of any merger.

In the days after the merger, Oberstar said, "I'd stop and ask station managers how things were going, and they'd whisper, 'I am a Republic guy and Northwest is a long-haul [airline]. We are a short-haul [airline]. They don't understand how to do things.' "

Oberstar did not say which airline he believes might emerge as the most likely merger partner for Northwest, but he did indicate that he sees the Eagan-based company facing stiffer competition to expand U.S. flights to China. Specifically, he doesn't believe that the U.S. Department of Transportation will grant Northwest authority for a hotly contested new route to China.

There is a four-way competition for the China route, and Northwest has proposed that it be between Detroit and Shanghai. Oberstar categorized Northwest and Continental as "second-tier players" in the competition.
"From the standpoint of competition, it might be a better decision by DOT to award service to American [Dallas to Beijing], provided their service will challenge United," Oberstar said. By mid-December, he intends to make a recommendation to the department, and he said that he will likely suggest the route go to American or United.

Oberstar said he has talked often this year with Northwest and Mesaba Airlines employees as they've faced big concessions, which he said have "left very deep resentment." Now, he said, it is "incumbent upon management at Northwest and Mesaba" to sit down with their employees "and win their trust."
Liz Fedor • 612-673-7709 • [EMAIL="[email protected]"][email protected][/EMAIL]

I think Oberstar's opinion is pretty clear. With the significant overlap of routes (have you looked at the route maps of USAirways and Delta - they almost completely overlap in the US) and the potential reduction of competing service on mid-tier routes that neither SWA nor Jet Blue would serve, I think this merger is not likely.
 
I think Oberstar's opinion is pretty clear. With the significant overlap of routes (have you looked at the route maps of USAirways and Delta - they almost completely overlap in the US) and the potential reduction of competing service on mid-tier routes that neither SWA nor Jet Blue would serve, I think this merger is not likely.

Oberstar has much less power and influence that the General thinks he does. The lobby'ers and DOJ will decide. Heck, Herb Kelleher and Gordon Bethune have more power and influence than OB1-Star does.
 
James Oberstar, like most Socialists, does not understand the workings of a market driven economy. A Republican DOJ will find it easy to disregard Oberstar's concerns. The financial markets will decide ownership of Delta.
 
Oberstar has much less power and influence that the General thinks he does. The lobby'ers and DOJ will decide. Heck, Herb Kelleher and Gordon Bethune have more power and influence than OB1-Star does.

Could you name an airline merger that received DOJ approval against objections from the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee?
 
I'm sure if LCC was trying to merge with NWA he'll probably think that is a great deal. It's all about votes and lobbyists
 
James Oberstar, like most Socialists, does not understand the workings of a market driven economy.

PUH-leese!

Oh great Oracle of the Marketplace, please explain what it is you don't think he understands!

(you might want to use small words...they'll be easier for you to swallow later)

A Republican DOJ will find it easy to disregard Oberstar's concerns. The financial markets will decide ownership of Delta.

Glad to see you're alive again, Mr. Friedman! I read the news last week that you were dead, and lamented the loss of such a brilliant economist. I'm a little disappointed that you chose a mouth-breathing pilot's s/n to weigh in on this topic, but look forward to yoiur keen insight.

(sigh)
 
If it were only as simple as the market determining the value of a combined carrier or the "right thing".

It's about power and money. Oberstar is just bitchy because no one has approached him with the right figure. Kick in a BOD seat for his wife or brother-in-law and, publicly, he will still oppose the deal but in the back room, smooth sailing.

Or, if he's on retainer for NWA, he'll still fight it but it will be passed through by the other whores over his objections. TC
 
"U.S. Rep. James Oberstar intends to take a hard look at potential airline mergers in the coming months because he knows that fusing two carriers together often causes pain for employees and hurts some consumers.
The Minnesota Democrat already is scrutinizing the proposed US Airways-Delta merger.

Next month, Oberstar will assume the chairmanship of the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, where he will be well-positioned to raise concerns in the event that a wave of consolidation sweeps the airline industry next year, as some observers predict."




Yup, he really doesn't like mergers, and he will raise concerns. But, Parker can say with a straight face that our routes do not overlap......riiight.



Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Oberstar has much less power and influence that the General thinks he does. The lobby'ers and DOJ will decide. Heck, Herb Kelleher and Gordon Bethune have more power and influence than OB1-Star does.

And you are a genius! Riiiight.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Could you name an airline merger that received DOJ approval against objections from the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee?

No and you can't show me definative proof the "committee" is against this. You guys are putting way too much emphasis on what Political "whaco's" will do. Oberstar is already starting to use weasel words."U.S. Rep. James Oberstar intends to take a hard look at potential airline mergers in the coming months because he knows that fusing two carriers together often causes pain for employees and hurts some consumers."

Hard look? Let me translate that for you..."Hey guys whats in it for me?" this guy can do a 180 at any time!!!

Here's a prediction for you on the record. I believe DAL and NWA operatives are meeting secretly as we write. UAL and AA are planning their own merger/acquisition stategies. Wall street while cooling a bit on the DAL/USAIR deal will still persue it and others. Lastly things will get hotter before they cool. After lets see, February 14th I believe is the date,if not before, bombs will fly!

There is one irrefutable fact in all of this. No matter how you feel. Money talks, and talks,and talks! Something will happen! Pick your poison! Will it be the devil you know or the one you don't? There is no way you come out of this as a stand alone... not for long anyway.

If "Grinchstien" has any vision at all he'll convience NWA a merger is ultimately in your combinned best interest. Which if you're scoring from home will be choice number one, the devil you know!

May the Swartz be with you!:erm:
 
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No and you can't show me definative proof the "committee" is against this. :erm:

Nice back pedalling and changing of the subject. You stated:

Oberstar has much less power and influence that the General thinks he does. The lobby'ers and DOJ will decide. Heck, Herb Kelleher and Gordon Bethune have more power and influence than OB1-Star does.

You are incorrect and unable to list a single merger that received DOJ approval against the objections of the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee. Oberstars opinion will matter a great deal and will have a great deal of influence if it comes to that.

BTW, it looks like Parkers backing away from his proposal. It seems he would like DAL managements approval of the offer. It appears that DAL management has more influence then many on here thought.
 
Nice back pedalling and changing of the subject. You stated:

Oberstar has much less power and influence that the General thinks he does. The lobby'ers and DOJ will decide. Heck, Herb Kelleher and Gordon Bethune have more power and influence than OB1-Star does.

You are incorrect and unable to list a single merger that received DOJ approval against the objections of the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee. Oberstars opinion will matter a great deal and will have a great deal of influence if it comes to that.

BTW, it looks like Parkers backing away from his proposal. It seems he would like DAL managements approval of the offer. It appears that DAL management has more influence then many on here thought.

Man you have serious mental problems! Where did I say that the DOJ has approved any merger over the House Transportation Committee. I said it's a "Committee" decision not just Oberstars!

Parker is NOT backing away! On the contrary He's putting the pressure on !

But have it your way take your meds and play nice. Go back to hating Comair pilots and finish that game of dungeons and dragons before mom gets home.


Try reading all of whats said before you comment and stop editorializing! You are not good at it and it shows. This is NOT my comment:
Oberstar has much less power and influence that the General thinks he does. The lobby'ers and DOJ will decide. Heck, Herb Kelleher and Gordon Bethune have more power and influence than OB1-Star does.
 
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Man you have serious mental problems! Where did I say that the DOJ has approved any merger over the House Transportation Committee. I said it's a "Committee" decision not just Oberstars!
No, what you said was this:
Hard look? Let me translate that for you..."Hey guys whats in it for me?" this guy can do a 180 at any time!!!
Are you speaking from experience, or just out of the side of your (for you especially) nut drainer??

Parker is NOT backing away! On the contrary He's putting the pressure on !
Let's try this another way.....
US Airways CEO will not fight for Delta


Marilyn Adams
USA TODAY
Dec. 5, 2006 06:51 PM

US Airways will give up its proposed takeover of Delta Air Lines if management there can't be persuaded of the benefits, US Airways CEO Doug Parker said Tuesday.

But have it your way take your meds and play nice. Go back to hating Comair pilots and finish that game of dungeons and dragons before mom gets home.
Wow, you really showed him! Maybe you could keep up your DL pilot hatred, and that will help even things out!

Try reading all of whats said before you comment and stop editorializing! You are not good at it and it shows. This is NOT my comment:
Oberstar has much less power and influence that the General thinks he does. The lobby'ers and DOJ will decide. Heck, Herb Kelleher and Gordon Bethune have more power and influence than OB1-Star does.
Right back at ya!

737
 
No, what you said was this:

Are you speaking from experience, or just out of the side of your (for you especially) nut drainer??


Let's try this another way.....



Wow, you really showed him! Maybe you could keep up your DL pilot hatred, and that will help even things out!


Right back at ya!

737


speaking of mental cases
 
Just depends on who owns him. Delta or USAir? No politician in the limelight will "do the right thing". They only do what their masters tell them to do. TC

Neither "owns him." Rep. Oberstar has always had an excellent relationship with ALPA. We certainly don't "own him," but we have a great deal of influence with him.

BACK THE PAC!!!!!!!
 
Neither "owns him." Rep. Oberstar has always had an excellent relationship with ALPA. We certainly don't "own him," but we have a great deal of influence with him.

BACK THE PAC!!!!!!!

:D :D :D :D That's a good one! You and Rez must buy from the same dealer.TC
 

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