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Why USAPA and the West will never get along

MK82Man

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Every pilot should know by now that the East US Airways pilots voted ALPA off in April 2008 (in large part due to their frustration with the Nicolau award). So far, the East/USAPA has failed to live up to the binding arbitration that way handed down in May 2007 in the Nicolau award and now has a constitution that seeks to overturn that decision. Read the nightmare/history of one AWA pilot … created when USAPA decided to sue individual AWA pilots. Ask yourself what would you do if this happened to you? Ask yourself if you would like to be a member of an organization that treats prospective members this way. When you are done reading the blog, consider sending a check to help these pilots defend themselves. Take a moment and be happy it isn’t you and have some empathy for a 18 pilots who have had their lives turned upside down. Start at the bottom of the blog, 13 August 2008.

http://cactus18.typepad.com/

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WSurf

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Just when you thought that horse was beaten to death.
 

FR8mastr

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Yes please send money to these poor individuals that may be held accountable for the tens of thousands of phone minutes they charged to USAPA, and encouraging others to do the same. Or maybe bragging about sending feces in the mail, yes that's right these pure innocent, line pilots may be held accountable for that as well.
So please dig deep and help out these poor souls, after all if you make 7,000 plus phone calls and or send crap in the mail to someone this could happen to you as well.
 

becket

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Yes please send money to these poor individuals that may be held accountable for the tens of thousands of phone minutes they charged to USAPA, and encouraging others to do the same. Or maybe bragging about sending feces in the mail, yes that's right these pure innocent, line pilots may be held accountable for that as well.
So please dig deep and help out these poor souls, after all if you make 7,000 plus phone calls and or send crap in the mail to someone this could happen to you as well.

Prove it. Keep sending Lee Seham your hard earned LOA 93 pennies.
 

johnnyb

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consider sending a check to help these pilots defend themselves.

Also consider one of the 18 publicly asked the CEO to start an 800 - snitch line so he and his fellow AWest employees have an opportunity to rat on their East counter parts.
 

get2flyin

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Also consider one of the 18 publicly asked the CEO to start an 800 - snitch line so he and his fellow AWest employees have an opportunity to rat on their East counter parts.

Wow. That's a story I've never heard before. I'm curious where you heard that story...or did you just make it up on the spot to tarnish the West?
 

FR8mastr

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Wow. That's a story I've never heard before. I'm curious where you heard that story...or did you just make it up on the spot to tarnish the West?

No he did not make it up, its in the video of the last road show on the Hub for all to see
 

Saabslime

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Sorry. I'm a west pilot and I don't have much sympathy for the "cactus 18". These individuals engaged in childish behavior and are now asking us to support their actions by sending money to help defend them. I can't preach to my son how to be a respectable law abiding citizen and then turn around and send money to help out these clowns.
 

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It appears to me, that for USAPA to having any credibility as a legitimate bargaining agent for all LCC pilots , USAPA needs to honor the rightful seniority of all LCC pilots as outlined in Nicolau's binding arbitration decision.

Otherwise, USAPA is nothing more than a sham organization whose sole purpose is to use the numerical superiority of a larger pilot group to mug a smaller pilot group in order to steal seniority from the smaller group. JMHO
 
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Whine Lover

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East. West.

I have good friends of 20-30 years who served for many years at each of the FORMER Airlines in question.

You are ALL Dicks.

You work for a NEW Corporate Entity. Can any of you numbnuts get that through your little Pilot Dick Heads?

STFU... And, Get over it .

JUST TRY to work together. Is that SO Effin' hard?

Collectively, you are Management's DREAM and this ( used to be ) so-called "Professsions", SHAME.

I will NEVER be a part of the Airline Game again due to YOUR collective ignorance, which is SO evident here.

WHAT PART OF "THE RULES OF THE GAME HAVE CHANGED" CAN'T YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND?

ADAPT AND SURVIVE FOOLS, OR PERISH IN THE MIDST OF YOUR CHILDISH SQUABBLES WHICH ARE BASED UPON PRESUPPOSITIONS OF YESTERYEAR.

It took me 21 years to understand....Airline Pilots are Morons.

Good Luck.

YKMKRKDAASTFU
 
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vetrider

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Sorry. I'm a west pilot and I don't have much sympathy for the "cactus 18". These individuals engaged in childish behavior and are now asking us to support their actions by sending money to help defend them. I can't preach to my son how to be a respectable law abiding citizen and then turn around and send money to help out these clowns.

Yes indeed, posting on a web board is most childish, not to mention criminal. Do you believe the rest of usapa's propaganda?
 
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Ocity

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Sorry. I'm a west pilot and I don't have much sympathy for the "cactus 18". These individuals engaged in childish behavior and are now asking us to support their actions by sending money to help defend them. I can't preach to my son how to be a respectable law abiding citizen and then turn around and send money to help out these clowns.


Consider telling your son that part of being a law abiding citizen is honoring the foundation that one is "innocent until proven guilty"

The judge threw out the case. It didn't merit the slightest bit of attention. Also, should a guy be driven into bankruptcy by frivolous lawsuit for posting this stupid green thing?
 

Colonel Savage

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East. West.

I have good friends of 20-30 years who served for many years at each of the FORMER Airlines in question.

You are ALL Dicks.

You work for a NEW Corporate Entity. Can any of you numbnuts get that through your little Pilot Dick Heads?

STFU... And, Get over it .

JUST TRY to work together. Is that SO Effin' hard?

Collectively, you are Management's DREAM and this ( used to be ) so-called "Professsions", SHAME.

I will NEVER be a part of the Airline Game again due to YOUR collective ignorance, which is SO evident here.

WHAT PART OF "THE RULES OF THE GAME HAVE CHANGED" CAN'T YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND?

ADAPT AND SURVIVE FOOLS, OR PERISH IN THE MIDST OF YOUR CHILDISH SQUABBLES WHICH ARE BASED UPON PRESUPPOSITIONS OF YESTERYEAR.

It took me 21 years to understand....Airline Pilots are Morons.

Good Luck.

YKMKRKDAASTFU

YES!!!
 

BeCareful!

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I find it impressive that each defendant "wrote out a check for $5000.00."

I certainly couldn't do that, which makes me glad I possess the judgment to not behave even remotely like the defendants. The East, which has lost so much more in so many ways, has managed to not engage in any of these asinine behaviors.

Seems like it would have been easier and cheaper for the 18 to cease and desist/act like mature human beings. I'm certain their hindsight, if it's not yet kicked in, will soon make this clear to them.

Then again, they are airline pilots......
 

TWA Dude

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These individuals engaged in childish behavior and are now asking us to support their actions by sending money to help defend them.
I wonder how much you really know about the 18. Like you, I don't have much sympathy for those who made hundreds of phone calls but a number of the 18 did nothing more than make pointed comments on the AWAPPA message board. For that they deserve to be sued for millions of dollars? Let's get real: if USAPA really cared about the financial impact of the calls they'd have sued for only hundreds of dollars. But no; they sued for racketeering and Rico statues. Sheer malice and idiocy. I recommend you do more diligence before you judge the Cactus 18 with such a broad stroke.
 
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