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Skyboss

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The problem isn't pilot pay, it's pilot productivity:

Here's the basic math on it.

An RJ flies on average 3,500 block hours a year. Say as a minimum, you need 3.5 crews. Tack on to that an addition 22% for worker efficiency (national average) and another (9% for vacation). Add to that benefits of 35% (again average).

Crew Cost = (Hourly Rate)*(# of crews staffed)*1.22*1.09*1.35/(minimum crew required)

Minimum crew required = Aircraft annual block hours/1,000

What this says is while you might not make jack, it's costing the airline. How much? At max efficiency (rarely done - 3.5 crews per aircraft) it would cost the airline $34.21 a block hour for a FO making $19.20. For an airline with 6 crews for the same aircraft: $58.65. For 8 crews: $78.20.

Not a flame on pilots, just something to consider... Some airlines have 6-9 crews per aircraft. If your airline had 4 crews per bird vs. 6 or 7, you could make a lot more. Of course you'd have to work a bit more, but not much more. It equates to 3.75 hrs/month.
 
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Many Pilot groups have been duped into accepting low pay to fly shiny new jets just to " get their time" and move on. On that same note ALPA National has not fully supported the regional pilots in negotating contracts and in some cases has presured to accept lower rates and benefits. Until we as regional pilots stand up and support each other instead of undercut each other. Only the can we get better pay and work rules industry wide.
 
"Until we as regional pilots stand up and support each other instead of undercut each other. Only the can we get better pay and work rules industry wide."

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.

Wake up and smell some Java...NEVER going to happen, NEVER !!!!!
 
Do not do it for the money

Hey guys all the airlines in the US have lost more since 2001 than they have made in their entire history of all the airlines since time started. How are hey going to pay more money to anyone. My brother-in law, owns a Muffler Shop, (non-college graduate) lives in a neighborhood with Doctors, Lawyers and, other professionals because he makes over $200K per year. Sends his kids to private schools, lots of vacations, etc. You fly airplanes because you like to fly airplanes, if you want to make money go to a trade school out of high school and run a muffler shop. By making flying a reasonable paying job, $100K per year is a great number as far as I am concerned, it may keep away those pilots who are in for the money. Then pilots who like to fly for living will have their dream jobs.
 
pilotyip said:
Hey guys all the airlines in the US have lost more since 2001 than they have made in their entire history of all the airlines since time started. How are hey going to pay more money to anyone. My brother-in law, owns a Muffler Shop, (non-college graduate) lives in a neighborhood with Doctors, Lawyers and, other professionals because he makes over $200K per year. Sends his kids to private schools, lots of vacations, etc. You fly airplanes because you like to fly airplanes, if you want to make money go to a trade school out of high school and run a muffler shop. By making flying a reasonable paying job, $100K per year is a great number as far as I am concerned, it may keep away those pilots who are in for the money. Then pilots who like to fly for living will have their dream jobs.
Ha, you should see the house down the street from where I live. Most of them are pretty nice anyway, but this guy's place is like an urban mansion. He owns a little rat shed looking place of business in our little town of 25,000. His license plate reads, "LUV2WELD". He's a freaking welder.

His next door neighbor's place is pretty huge and well laid out as well, he's a guy that broke out into the landscaping business after deciding he didn't like working in an office for other people. (sound familiar)

Flying is a service industry. As long as there are people willing to shell out big bucks just to stand in line to be a servant...wages are going to be low.
 
Skyboss said:
Why pilot pay is low....
Because the MagLev is going to replace all air travel and the MagLev crews keep "lowering the bar" and working for substandard wages since they just love driving MagLev's, most claim they would do it for free! That is the REAL problem with Pilot Pay!
 
Pathetic.

Everyone knows the real reason is because Falcon Jets are junk and their flight crews are idiots.
 
Why pilot pay is low?.... Because the majority would run over their grandmother to be next in line to fly left seat. Why does a majority of pricks gravitate towards flying a plane these days? Stupid, dumb, or egomaniac take your pick. If someone tells you that they are a "professional pilot" lead them to the nearest ATM so they can make a withdrawal for a nice reserved position "PFT" on the next spaceship to Uranus. You will have to be 2nd in line though, Tony C was the first pro with his money in hand.
 
Why is pilot pay so low? Simple...way more pilots than jobs.
 

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