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excellent!!! i see you are improving- almost coherent. Actually Im doing quite well as a cfi Im a chief pilot at a 141 school. I own some real estate. To pay the bills, I own a construction company that makes more in a week then you do in a year im sure, and I fly for fun. Isnt that kinda why we do this? Isnt it supposed to be fun? Do it because you like it not for the money. If you do it for the money you'll end up a bitter unhappy LITTLE man. Sorry no offense intended. Allow me to translate for you- flying doesnt pay bills- all of those phone calls will go away if you get an additional job- try being nice and your manager at burgerworld might promote you to head fry guy. Have a nice day and remember flying should be fun and at this stage you need a supplemental income because alpa wont protect you- either will burger flippers local 220.
you should let your mec know so that you can help your other cronies get jobs!!! www.alpa.org help a brother out
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Gulfstream,
I am willing to bet you are on of them pilots that bought their job going to high priced flight school and you have only a highschool education. I hate burst your bubble but a B1900 ain't nothing but an overgrown King Air. From the looks of it your union ain't done a whole lot for you.
"so many union pukes, and so little rope"
I am willing to bet you are on of them pilots that bought their job going to high priced flight school and you have only a highschool education. I hate burst your bubble but a B1900 ain't nothing but an overgrown King Air. From the looks of it your union ain't done a whole lot for you.
"so many union pukes, and so little rope"
not flame bait im serious i dont see a problem with flying those planes at mesa but alpa is against it so screw alpa. i would much rather start at the bottom with mesa but alpa will sacrifice mesa to prove a point... they dont care about regioinal pilots. i think mesa should dump alpa and go for the teamsters or something ...
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no i just think it's been talked to death so no one is going to be usefull you know how i feel unions are like women can't live with em can't live without em. i just wonder if we were in boom times and all the mainline guys still had jobs would j4j even be a problem or freedom? and would 90 seat rj's still be considered rj's not airplanes that should be flown by mainline guys but if i were you i'd stay were your are make more money better life go to the regionals when kids are in school you know. it would be fun to fly though
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Popilot;
Pilots like you are pure SCUM!!!
JeepmanIndustry Average Pay for 50 and 70 Seat Aircraft
Below is a spreadsheet showing the industry average pay for 70 seat aircraft, Mesa's current 50 seat pay rate, and the industry average 50 seat pay rate. Notice that Eagle's pay is $2-$5 per hour less than industry average, and Freedom's pay (as presented in PHX by Mr. Ornstein, but not made available to ALPA yet) is 1%-3% less than that. Once again, Mesa pilots providing the highest level of service at the lowest available prices.
Hourly Pay Rates on Regional Airline Equipment (as of March 1, 2002)
60 - 70 Seat Regional Jets Currently Operated by or in Contract of All Carriers in the Continental U.S.
Longevity Year:
A/L Effective Equipment 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18
CAPTAINS
MSA Jun-01 60-69 Pax Jet 55.38 57.05 58.76 60.52 62.33 64.20 66.13 68.12 70.16 72.27 74.43 76.66 78.97 81.32 83.77 83.77 83.77 83.77
ASA TA 2/02 CRJ -70 60.20 62.07 63.97 65.96 68.01 70.11 72.27 74.50 77.51 80.63 83.12 85.69 88.35 91.07 93.89 96.71 99.60 102.59
CMR Jun-01 CRJ -70 59.84 61.70 63.59 65.57 67.60 69.69 71.84 74.06 77.05 80.15 82.62 85.18 87.82 90.53 93.33 96.13 99.01 101.98
HOR Sep-01 63-75 Seat Jet 60.14 62.01 63.91 65.90 67.94 70.04 72.20 74.43 77.44 80.55 83.03 85.61 88.26 90.98 93.80 96.61 99.51 102.49
EGL Jan-02 60-70 SeatTurbojet 56.32 58.00 59.76 61.54 63.38 65.30 66.59 68.58 70.65 72.77 74.95 77.19 79.52 81.91 83.28 84.94 86.21 87.53
INDUSTRY AVERAGE: 58.38 60.17 62.00 63.90 65.85 67.87 69.81 71.94 74.56 77.27 79.63 82.07 84.58 87.16 89.61 91.63 93.62 95.67
FIRST OFFICERS
MSA Jun-01 All FO 19.28 24.40 26.79 29.18 30.05 30.05 30.05 30.05
ASA TA 2/02 CRJ -70 19.02 37.24 38.38 39.58 40.80 42.06 43.36 44.71
CMR Jun-01 CRJ-70 21.00 37.02 38.15 39.34 40.56 41.81 43.10 44.44
HOR Sep-01 63-75 Seat Jet 24.25 35.70 36.75 37.80 38.85 39.90 40.95 42.00
EGL Jan-02 All Turbojet 20.26 28.73 31.20 32.74 33.58 34.14 34.57 35.15
INDUSTRY AVERAGE: 20.76 32.62 34.25 35.73 36.77 37.59 38.41 39.27
HOR - Horizon represented by Teamsters
CURRENT MES 50-59 seat pay
Captains
MES Dec-00 50 - 59 Seats 50.07 51.60 53.17 54.77 56.43 58.11 59.54 61.36 63.24 65.15 67.09 69.12 71.20 73.35 73.35 73.35 73.35 73.35
FO's
MES Dec-00 50 - 59 Seats 20.47 27.42 30.59 31.90 32.85 33.62 34.07 34.55
Hourly Pay Rates on Regional Jet Equipment (as of March 1, 2002)
50 - 59 Seat Regional Jets Currently Operated by All Carriers in the Continental U.S.
Longevity Year:
A/L Effective Equipment 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18
CAPTAINS
ACO Feb-02 CRJ 55.47 57.19 58.96 60.79 62.67 64.60 66.60 68.66 70.78 72.98 75.23 77.55 79.96 82.43 84.98 87.52 90.15 90.15
ARW Aug-01 CRJ 54.94 56.65 58.39 60.21 62.06 63.98 65.96 68.00 70.10 72.28 74.51 76.81 79.19 81.64 84.16 86.69 86.69 86.69
ASA Sep-01 50 - 59 Seats 54.46 56.08 57.78 59.50 61.29 63.13 64.39 66.32 68.31 70.36 72.47 74.64 76.89 79.20 81.57 81.57 81.57 81.57
CAX Oct-01 50 - 59 Seats 51.60 53.14 54.75 56.38 58.08 59.62 61.02 62.85 64.73 66.67 68.67 70.73 72.86 75.05 76.31 77.83 79.00 80.19
CHA Nov-00 50 - 59 Seats 50.96 52.49 54.05 55.68 57.35 59.07 60.46 62.35 64.30 66.27 68.27 70.32 72.44 74.65 76.43 76.43 76.43 76.43
CMR Jun-01 CRJ 54.40 56.09 57.81 59.61 61.45 63.35 65.31 67.33 69.41 71.56 73.77 76.05 78.41 80.83 83.33 85.83 85.83 85.83
EGL Jan-02 50 - 59 Seats 53.52 55.11 56.78 58.47 60.23 62.03 63.28 65.17 67.12 69.13 71.22 73.35 75.56 77.83 79.14 80.71 81.92 83.16
EXA Nov-00 50 - 59 Seats 50.28 51.82 53.42 55.05 56.73 58.39 59.82 61.55 63.55 65.38 67.26 69.20 71.18 73.22 75.20 75.20 75.20 75.20
MES Dec-00 50 - 59 Seats 50.07 51.60 53.17 54.77 56.43 58.11 59.54 61.36 63.24 65.15 67.09 69.12 71.20 73.35 73.35 73.35 73.35 73.35
TSA Aug-01 ERJ 145 50.37 51.98 53.58 55.19 56.79 58.41 60.21 62.21 64.07 66.05 67.86 69.97 72.02 74.28 74.59 74.59 74.59 74.59
INDUSTRY AVERAGE: 52.61 54.22 55.87 57.57 59.31 61.07 62.66 64.58 66.56 68.58 70.63 72.77 74.97 77.25 78.91 79.97 80.47 80.72
FIRST OFFICERS
ACO Feb-02 CRJ 21.53 34.19 35.26 36.35 37.47 38.62 39.82 41.05
ARW Aug-01 CRJ 23.50 33.99 35.03 36.12 37.24 38.39 39.58 40.80
ASA Sep-01 50 - 59 Seats 19.02 33.65 34.67 35.70 36.77 37.88 38.63 38.63
CAX Oct-01 50 - 59 Seats 19.56 27.74 30.11 31.61 32.41 32.95 32.95 32.95
CHA Nov-00 All Jet 19.96 23.11 32.04 33.09 34.15 35.20 35.20 35.20
CMR Jun-01 CRJ 21.00 33.53 34.57 35.64 36.74 37.88 39.06 40.25
EGL Jan-02 50 - 59 Seats 20.26 28.73 31.20 32.74 33.58 34.14 34.57 35.15
EXA Nov-00 50 - 59 Seats 19.16 22.54 27.60 30.53 31.47 32.17 32.69 33.24
MES Dec-00 50 - 59 Seats 20.47 27.42 30.59 31.90 32.85 33.62 34.07 34.55
TSA Aug-01 ERJ 145 20.40 23.30 29.58 30.60 31.62 31.62 31.62 31.62
INDUSTRY AVERAGE: 20.49 28.82 32.06 33.43 34.43 35.25 35.82 36.34
Pilots like you are pure SCUM!!!
JeepmanIndustry Average Pay for 50 and 70 Seat Aircraft
Below is a spreadsheet showing the industry average pay for 70 seat aircraft, Mesa's current 50 seat pay rate, and the industry average 50 seat pay rate. Notice that Eagle's pay is $2-$5 per hour less than industry average, and Freedom's pay (as presented in PHX by Mr. Ornstein, but not made available to ALPA yet) is 1%-3% less than that. Once again, Mesa pilots providing the highest level of service at the lowest available prices.
Hourly Pay Rates on Regional Airline Equipment (as of March 1, 2002)
60 - 70 Seat Regional Jets Currently Operated by or in Contract of All Carriers in the Continental U.S.
Longevity Year:
A/L Effective Equipment 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18
CAPTAINS
MSA Jun-01 60-69 Pax Jet 55.38 57.05 58.76 60.52 62.33 64.20 66.13 68.12 70.16 72.27 74.43 76.66 78.97 81.32 83.77 83.77 83.77 83.77
ASA TA 2/02 CRJ -70 60.20 62.07 63.97 65.96 68.01 70.11 72.27 74.50 77.51 80.63 83.12 85.69 88.35 91.07 93.89 96.71 99.60 102.59
CMR Jun-01 CRJ -70 59.84 61.70 63.59 65.57 67.60 69.69 71.84 74.06 77.05 80.15 82.62 85.18 87.82 90.53 93.33 96.13 99.01 101.98
HOR Sep-01 63-75 Seat Jet 60.14 62.01 63.91 65.90 67.94 70.04 72.20 74.43 77.44 80.55 83.03 85.61 88.26 90.98 93.80 96.61 99.51 102.49
EGL Jan-02 60-70 SeatTurbojet 56.32 58.00 59.76 61.54 63.38 65.30 66.59 68.58 70.65 72.77 74.95 77.19 79.52 81.91 83.28 84.94 86.21 87.53
INDUSTRY AVERAGE: 58.38 60.17 62.00 63.90 65.85 67.87 69.81 71.94 74.56 77.27 79.63 82.07 84.58 87.16 89.61 91.63 93.62 95.67
FIRST OFFICERS
MSA Jun-01 All FO 19.28 24.40 26.79 29.18 30.05 30.05 30.05 30.05
ASA TA 2/02 CRJ -70 19.02 37.24 38.38 39.58 40.80 42.06 43.36 44.71
CMR Jun-01 CRJ-70 21.00 37.02 38.15 39.34 40.56 41.81 43.10 44.44
HOR Sep-01 63-75 Seat Jet 24.25 35.70 36.75 37.80 38.85 39.90 40.95 42.00
EGL Jan-02 All Turbojet 20.26 28.73 31.20 32.74 33.58 34.14 34.57 35.15
INDUSTRY AVERAGE: 20.76 32.62 34.25 35.73 36.77 37.59 38.41 39.27
HOR - Horizon represented by Teamsters
CURRENT MES 50-59 seat pay
Captains
MES Dec-00 50 - 59 Seats 50.07 51.60 53.17 54.77 56.43 58.11 59.54 61.36 63.24 65.15 67.09 69.12 71.20 73.35 73.35 73.35 73.35 73.35
FO's
MES Dec-00 50 - 59 Seats 20.47 27.42 30.59 31.90 32.85 33.62 34.07 34.55
Hourly Pay Rates on Regional Jet Equipment (as of March 1, 2002)
50 - 59 Seat Regional Jets Currently Operated by All Carriers in the Continental U.S.
Longevity Year:
A/L Effective Equipment 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18
CAPTAINS
ACO Feb-02 CRJ 55.47 57.19 58.96 60.79 62.67 64.60 66.60 68.66 70.78 72.98 75.23 77.55 79.96 82.43 84.98 87.52 90.15 90.15
ARW Aug-01 CRJ 54.94 56.65 58.39 60.21 62.06 63.98 65.96 68.00 70.10 72.28 74.51 76.81 79.19 81.64 84.16 86.69 86.69 86.69
ASA Sep-01 50 - 59 Seats 54.46 56.08 57.78 59.50 61.29 63.13 64.39 66.32 68.31 70.36 72.47 74.64 76.89 79.20 81.57 81.57 81.57 81.57
CAX Oct-01 50 - 59 Seats 51.60 53.14 54.75 56.38 58.08 59.62 61.02 62.85 64.73 66.67 68.67 70.73 72.86 75.05 76.31 77.83 79.00 80.19
CHA Nov-00 50 - 59 Seats 50.96 52.49 54.05 55.68 57.35 59.07 60.46 62.35 64.30 66.27 68.27 70.32 72.44 74.65 76.43 76.43 76.43 76.43
CMR Jun-01 CRJ 54.40 56.09 57.81 59.61 61.45 63.35 65.31 67.33 69.41 71.56 73.77 76.05 78.41 80.83 83.33 85.83 85.83 85.83
EGL Jan-02 50 - 59 Seats 53.52 55.11 56.78 58.47 60.23 62.03 63.28 65.17 67.12 69.13 71.22 73.35 75.56 77.83 79.14 80.71 81.92 83.16
EXA Nov-00 50 - 59 Seats 50.28 51.82 53.42 55.05 56.73 58.39 59.82 61.55 63.55 65.38 67.26 69.20 71.18 73.22 75.20 75.20 75.20 75.20
MES Dec-00 50 - 59 Seats 50.07 51.60 53.17 54.77 56.43 58.11 59.54 61.36 63.24 65.15 67.09 69.12 71.20 73.35 73.35 73.35 73.35 73.35
TSA Aug-01 ERJ 145 50.37 51.98 53.58 55.19 56.79 58.41 60.21 62.21 64.07 66.05 67.86 69.97 72.02 74.28 74.59 74.59 74.59 74.59
INDUSTRY AVERAGE: 52.61 54.22 55.87 57.57 59.31 61.07 62.66 64.58 66.56 68.58 70.63 72.77 74.97 77.25 78.91 79.97 80.47 80.72
FIRST OFFICERS
ACO Feb-02 CRJ 21.53 34.19 35.26 36.35 37.47 38.62 39.82 41.05
ARW Aug-01 CRJ 23.50 33.99 35.03 36.12 37.24 38.39 39.58 40.80
ASA Sep-01 50 - 59 Seats 19.02 33.65 34.67 35.70 36.77 37.88 38.63 38.63
CAX Oct-01 50 - 59 Seats 19.56 27.74 30.11 31.61 32.41 32.95 32.95 32.95
CHA Nov-00 All Jet 19.96 23.11 32.04 33.09 34.15 35.20 35.20 35.20
CMR Jun-01 CRJ 21.00 33.53 34.57 35.64 36.74 37.88 39.06 40.25
EGL Jan-02 50 - 59 Seats 20.26 28.73 31.20 32.74 33.58 34.14 34.57 35.15
EXA Nov-00 50 - 59 Seats 19.16 22.54 27.60 30.53 31.47 32.17 32.69 33.24
MES Dec-00 50 - 59 Seats 20.47 27.42 30.59 31.90 32.85 33.62 34.07 34.55
TSA Aug-01 ERJ 145 20.40 23.30 29.58 30.60 31.62 31.62 31.62 31.62
INDUSTRY AVERAGE: 20.49 28.82 32.06 33.43 34.43 35.25 35.82 36.34
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