Why is AT&T losing its pilots?

[Shag McNasty]

You should change your screen name to something more catchy, like TurdThrower or PooSlinger.

 

[CorpCaptain]

Thread continues because it is giving information on a declining department that has been hiring and will be hiring very soon.

Some poor schlub is going to look at a position there and should know what the climate is like.

I do not understand why there this "head in the sand" approach to this thread.

With all due respect, that poor schlub you speak of would have figured that out over a year ago. The disparaging remarks have continued for over 15 months, now it just looks desperate.

 

[Fair&Balanced]

"One thing kids like is to be tricked. For instance, I was going to take my nephew to Disneyland, but instead I drove him to an old burned-out warehouse. 'Oh no,' I said, 'Disneyland burned down.' "He cried and cried, but I think that deep down he thought it was a pretty good joke. 'I started to drive over to the real Disneyland, but it was getting pretty late."

 

[semperfido]

Let's get this back on track then. This will be relevant to anyone wishing to become a part of this circus. Early retirement plan is in effect. The number of openings will be decided shortly. CP has been essentially gone for a couple years, will now exit the hangar. Several others are eligible, possibly a total of 4 total. The huge downside is the Pompous One may actually realize his dream of further destroying a once proud department, in spite of his long and distinguished list of "missteps". Others are circling the position, are are much more qualified. Another strong possibility is hiring an outsider to come and right this sinking ship.

Departures could end this thread as the source could be leaving

your ******************************bagery is quite masterful. Carry on with this stupid ass thread.

 

[pilotyip]

your ******************************bagery is quite masterful. Carry on with this stupid ass thread.

It is now very evident that a college degree has nothing to do with posting on FI. Compared to hauling auto parts out of KYIP on a 50 years old DA-20 in mid-January for $35K/yr, AT&T is a great job, and I have about 40 people who would quit on a moments notice if they could get a job there.

 

[LegacyDriver]

It is now very evident that a college degree has nothing to do with posting on FI. Compared to hauling auto parts out of KYIP on a 50 years old DA-20 in mid-January for $35K/yr, AT&T is a great job, and I have about 40 people who would quit on a moments notice if they could get a job there.

Ability to punctuate doesn't have any bearing on posting here either.

Ahem.

As to the rest of the above...........

The race to the bottom continues.

SMH.

Carry on!

 

[pilotyip]

An article in the WSJ from the 5th largest employment agency in the country.

"Another big hurdle is the widening skills deficit. At any given time, Mr. Funk says, Express has as many as 20,000 jobs the company can't fill because workers don't have the skills required. His advice to young people who are looking for a solid career is to get training in accounting (thanks to Dodd-Frank's huge expansion of paperwork), information technology, manufacturing-robotics programming, welding and engineering. He's mystified why Express has so much trouble filling thousands of information-technology jobs when so many young, working-age adults are computer literate.

He blames public schools and universities for the skills mismatch. Young people looking for a financially secure future might want to heed one of his favorite pieces of cautionary advice: "If you've got a college degree in psych, poly-sci or sociology, sorry, I can't help you find a job." He urges greater emphasis on vocational and practical skills training in schools, universities and junior colleges."

People are graduating from college with no marketable skills, yet 1,000's of good paying jobs go u8nfilled because no one has the skills. This fits right in with what I have saying for year, the purpose of advanced education is to give you skills that lead to a good paying job that is in demand. Well except when it comes to flyign an airplane where the college degree has nothing to do with the skill set needed for the job, it is only a screening method used by uninformed HR departments.

here is link to the entire article

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324492604579087044033601178.html

 

[EngineThunder]

Ability to punctuate doesn't have any bearing on posting here either.

Ahem.

As to the rest of the above...........

The race to the bottom continues.

SMH.

Carry on!

35k /yr? OUCH

 

[pilotyip]

35k /yr? OUCH

You mean AT&T pays more than that, must be a good job then. BTW: $35K is almost twice what you get at a 121 regionla as an F/O, but back to the thread.

Am I giving out bad advice? Where have I said you should not go to college? I have said it has nothing to do with flying an airplane. I know too many good pilots without degrees, and you flew with a lot of them and can confirm that statement. I have said that the pursuit of a degree that does not lead to a decent job is a waste of time in college. I have that said going to college part time or on-line is an alternate way to get a degree. I have never said "Do not go to college" My only dog in this fight is the mindset of many posters that "you must go the 4 years of college right out of high school" or you are a failure and not be really "Cool" like me. College is not for everyone, there are too many successful people out there who did not go to college. BTW Anyone considering college and does not come away with the intent of this thread is not college material to start with.

 

[LegacyDriver]

35k /yr? OUCH

My thoughts exactly. Ouch.

 

[pilotyip]

My thoughts exactly. Ouch.

Fits here, ole to the $35K freight dawg

That he which hath no stomach to this fight,
Let him depart; his passport shall be made,
And crowns for convoy put into his purse;
We would not fly in that man's company
That fears his fellowship to fly with us.
He that outlives this night, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when MMIO, LRD, are nam'd,
And rouse him at the name of a life flown in aged out junk
He that shall live this night, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say To-morrow is Clear and a Million.
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars,
And say These wounds I had on my 3rd load.
Old men forget; yet all shall be forgot,
But he'll remember, with advantages,
What feats he did those days. Then shall our names,
Familiar in his mouth as household words-
Mar, huck, and Pcr, pilotyip, spooky 2 and con pilot,
Capo, j9, and all the Lear driving variants,
Be in their flowing cups freshly remembred.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And The day we flew shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remembered-
We few, we happy few, we band of freight dawgs;
For he to-day that shares this godforsaken profession with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition;
And gentlemen on the ground now-a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us on Starving Pilot's pay.

 

[rettofly]

Fits here, ole to the $35K freight dawg

That he which hath no stomach to this fight,
Let him depart; his passport shall be made,
And crowns for convoy put into his purse;
We would not fly in that man's company
That fears his fellowship to fly with us.
He that outlives this night, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when MMIO, LRD, are nam'd,
And rouse him at the name of a life flown in aged out junk
He that shall live this night, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say To-morrow is Clear and a Million.
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars,
And say These wounds I had on my 3rd load.
Old men forget; yet all shall be forgot,
But he'll remember, with advantages,
What feats he did those days. Then shall our names,
Familiar in his mouth as household words-
Mar, huck, and Pcr, pilotyip, spooky 2 and con pilot,
Capo, j9, and all the Lear driving variants,
Be in their flowing cups freshly remembred.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And The day we flew shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remembered-
We few, we happy few, we band of freight dawgs;
For he to-day that shares this godforsaken profession with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition;
And gentlemen on the ground now-a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us on Starving Pilot's pay.

Does single pilot in EMB 110 fit the profile?

 

[pilotyip]

Does single pilot in EMB 110 fit the profile?

Welcome, you are my brother

 

[rettofly]

Welcome, you are my brother

Thank you.

Couldn't have done it without a sturdy J bar and the rollers a Kalitta rampie at KYIP "forgot" one time when we got done loading.

Customs was always a thrill at KYIP.

Got chewed out one night because I had the air stair door open before the guy got to the circle. A month later I got chewed out by the same guy because I sat in the closed airplane instead of coming up to his office on the fourth floor in the FBO building, thereby forcing him to drive out to the circle.

 

[pilotyip]

Thank you.

Couldn't have done it without a sturdy J bar and the rollers a Kalitta rampie at KYIP "forgot" one time when we got done loading.

Customs was always a thrill at KYIP.

Got chewed out one night because I had the air stair door open before the guy got to the circle. A month later I got chewed out by the same guy because I sat in the closed airplane instead of coming up to his office on the fourth floor in the FBO building, thereby forcing him to drive out to the circle.

Yea they have to log a chewing out every hour, they make up reasons.

When dealing with customs guys, I pretend I am again going through POW training, no jokes, no information beyond the question asked, cooperate to the maximum extent possible. In a third world country, give?em a six pack of Coke and thank them for coming out to see you. I had a Canadian Customs gal, pull her gun on me, for what she thought was a smart-ass answer.

Having cleared many times flying the on-demand cargo I have found that customs guys come from three areas, immigration, commerce, and agriculture. You can tell where they come by their first question, Immigration ?Let me see your passport?, commerce ?Let me see your load manifest?, and agriculture ?Do you have any garbage??

 

[LegacyDriver]

Does single pilot in EMB 110 fit the profile?

Too bad ERJ F/O for $17K a year doesn't count. LOL

I made more than $35K flying air ambulance piston twins for crying out loud.

 

[Jetdriver69]

$35K a year?! I made that much working on a garbage truck and/or flying heavies in the military. Both are about the same in pay, respect and working conditions.

There is something to be said for honorable poverty, but it ain't my cup of tea. I wouldn't whizz on a camp fire for $35K a year, long live corporate Gulfstreams!

 

[pilotyip]

$35K a year?! I made that much working on a garbage truck and/or flying heavies in the military. Both are about the same in pay, respect and working conditions.

There is something to be said for honorable poverty, but it ain't my cup of tea. I wouldn't whizz on a camp fire for $35K a year, long live corporate Gulfstreams!

Hey, it is an entry level job flying rudder dog sh1t to dark Mexican Cities in the middle of the night. But it is ME TJ time and it leads to jobs at FedEx, UPS, DAL, AAL, NJ, JB, Spirit, Boeing Corporation, etc.

You got to start someplace and pay your dues. But you have to be careful cause if you stay here too long , you start making 6 figures with 180 days off a year and you can not take the pay cut for your next job. So enter at your own risk.

If I was between jobs again, I would jump on it, because it takes a flying job to get a flying job. You stay out of the cockpit too long and prospective employers start thinking, "If you are a pilot how come you are not flying".