Why I will vote ALPA at Skywest

[difete]

ALPA stands in court SAPA does not

Compare to ASA with representation, I quote:

"Even though the ASA pilots are negotiating to amend their current contract, they

continue to have the right to fight unfair discipline in front of a neutral arbitrator

through their grievance procedure. Without union representation they would be “at
will” employees and subject to discipline up to and including termination without
recourse to representation and review by an independent third-party neutral.
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Because we are all in Skywest "at will" at this moment, and there is no "grievance" of our unfair discipline.​

We invest lots of money in getting where we are now, and our own lives day by day, away from home, comitted to doing the best and safest decisions benefiting our costumers and our company, why I wont want a real "legal" protection of such invaluable investment?

Some of my friends were unfairly terminated. They can't barely get a flying job with that on their records. It is not real or relevant to you, until it hits home.

If they had the chance to grieve their unfair termination, they would not be struggling to make their house payments today. I assure you of that.​

And that is why I will vote ALPA at Skywest.

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[buscap]

I can certainly appreciate the dilema many Skywest pilots find themselves in. The Union imposed rising tide effect has definitely been to their benefit.

Why pay 2% when you already get quite a few of the union benefits, just to keep the union off the property?

The answer only reveals itself to the long term thinker: That big iron job we are all chasing is absolutely fantastic because of the unions. A regional the size of Skywest without a union hurts us all, regional and major alike.

It's that simple.

 

[Flip]

I am voting for ALPA. Tired of SAPA making excuses. Some good people at SAPA but their day is gone. Time to move on and get our house in order before it's too late

 

[MYFpilot]

I can certainly appreciate the dilema many Skywest pilots find themselves in. The Union imposed rising tide effect has definitely been to their benefit.

Why pay 2% when you already get quite a few of the union benefits, just to keep the union off the property?

The answer only reveals itself to the long term thinker: That big iron job we are all chasing is absolutely fantastic because of the unions. A regional the size of Skywest without a union hurts us all, regional and major alike.

It's that simple.

So true!! Above and beyond everything else, at our core we are all the same. We are all Airline Pilots, and it is time to unify.

"We must all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately."

-- Benjamin Franklin

 

[Mickey]

All ALPA wants is Skywests Pilots money. They will NOT fight for you. Look how they rolled over and refused to fight for Trans States Pilots vs. GoJet Skumbags. They did not want to spend the money to fight for what is right, period. Skywest pilots are doing better than what ALPA could ever have done for them. ALPA does not protect regional pilots. All they want is your money so they can fight for scopes against you. Conflictingting interests..... hmmm!

ALPA will only protect your job if you're a Union leader. If you're not, too bad.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

All ALPA wants is Skywests Pilots money. They will NOT fight for you. Look how they rolled over and refused to fight for Trans States Pilots vs. GoJet Skumbags. They did not want to spend the money to fight for what is right, period. Skywest pilots are doing better than what ALPA could ever have done for them. ALPA does not protect regional pilots. All they want is your money so they can fight for scopes against you. Conflictingting interests..... hmmm!

Gosh, you're so right...and SAPA doesn't have any conflicting interests at all!!! Wanna buy some oceanfront Arizona property from me?

 

[120% Torque]

All ALPA wants is Skywests Pilots money. They will NOT fight for you. Look how they rolled over and refused to fight for Trans States Pilots vs. GoJet Skumbags. They did not want to spend the money to fight for what is right, period. Skywest pilots are doing better than what ALPA could ever have done for them. ALPA does not protect regional pilots. All they want is your money so they can fight for scopes against you. Conflictingting interests..... hmmm!

ALPA will only protect your job if you're a Union leader. If you're not, too bad.

So Alpa national refused to fight for Trans States vs. Gojet Skumbags to " because "all they want is your money so they can fight for scopes against you"? Hate to burst your bubble but 1. You dont know anything about Sapa, the so called representation of skywest pilots right now. 2. Regionals do not generate much cash flow often times using more than they take in.

 

[bmpilot2003]

All ALPA wants is Skywests Pilots money. They will NOT fight for you. Look how they rolled over and refused to fight for Trans States Pilots vs. GoJet Skumbags. They did not want to spend the money to fight for what is right, period. Skywest pilots are doing better than what ALPA could ever have done for them. ALPA does not protect regional pilots. All they want is your money so they can fight for scopes against you. Conflictingting interests..... hmmm!

ALPA will only protect your job if you're a Union leader. If you're not, too bad.

I'd rather have a job flying a bigger airplane than a crappy little RJ. Thats not conflicting at ALL!

 

[DashTrash400]

ALPA does not protect regional pilots. All they want is your money so they can fight for scopes against you. Conflictingting interests..... hmmm!

What's hilarious about this argument is that many of the people who make it are those who claim they just want to put in their time at the regionals and move on. That sort of person should be the biggest proponent of strengthening scope at the majors. Even lifers at the regionals shouldn't feel too threatened...at this point, ALPA holding the line on scope doesn't mean your flying's going to get taken away, it just means you won't be flying 100+ seaters at your "regional." The only people that lack of continued growth caused by stronger scope really threatens are the 250 hr noobs who are deathly adverse to instructing for a year or two.

 

[Goose Egg]

My main reason for my ALPA vote is because I no longer believe that SAPA can function in our best interests. We are almost 3000 pilots strong, and SAPA was never designed to support so many. SAPA does provide some services to its pilots, but they are services that I think could better be provided by ALPA.

This is actually the best pro-union argument I've heard so far. Spare me your ALPA uber alles lines and all that brotherhood BS--80,000 strong and every one of them ready to throw me under the bus! But I think I have come to the conclusion that SAPA just isn't working for us. Whether ALPA is the answer to that, I'm not sure yet. But thanks Skaff for some rational thought. It's refreshing amidst all this propaganda.

-Goose

 

[PCL_128]

All ALPA wants is Skywests Pilots money.

ALPA spends far more money on its regional carriers than it receives in dues money from them. Winning this vote will result in a net loss of money for the Association.

 

[SkyNation]

ALPA spends far more money on its regional carriers than it receives in dues money from them. Winning this vote will result in a net loss of money for the Association.

as un-trusting as you are of corporations and hierarchal organizations, do you really think that ALPA takes on regionals at a loss? surely there must be some benefit to them, their officers, presidents, etc.

 

[DashTrash400]

as un-trusting as you are of corporations and hierarchal organizations, do you really think that ALPA takes on regionals at a loss? surely there must be some benefit to them, their officers, presidents, etc.

You know who else I really don't trust? The Salvation Army. There's no way they're distributing clothes, food, and necessities to needy people for free. I'll bet they're really trying to lure them onto their super-secret underground lairs where they're performing medical experiments on them on behalf of big pharm!

On a less sarcastic note, there's absolutely a benefit to taking on Skywest at a monetary loss. It means there's not a big non-unionized regional out there to undercut all the ALPA-represented carriers, making it easier for ALPA to effectively represent all regionals.

 

[SkyNation]

so ALPA is a charity?

 

[PCL_128]

as un-trusting as you are of corporations and hierarchal organizations, do you really think that ALPA takes on regionals at a loss?

I don't just "think" it, I know it for a fact. I've seen the books. Remember, I was an ALPA Secretary-Treasurer. I know for a fact that we received far more money, to the tune of millions of dollars, than we ever paid in in dues revenue. Sorry, there's just no debate here. The facts are the facts.

surely there must be some benefit to them, their officers, presidents, etc.

The President and the rest of the Officers, as well as all of the staff and other reps, have fixed salaries. They receive no more money if Skywest organizes or if dues revenue is increased. There is absolutely no financial benefit to them personally if Skywest unionizes. They make the same money whether ALPA represents 42 airlines or just 4.

The benefit is simple: a single unified voice representing the air line pilot profession is best for all pilots. If that costs the Association a few million dollars, then so be it. It's worth it to bring this profession together so that we can continue to work towards improving it.

 

[SkyNation]

it seems that you believe ALPA can do no wrong. I don't think they are benevolent and altruistic as you imagine. nor as inclusive of 'all pilots.'

 

[DashTrash400]

it seems that you believe ALPA can do no wrong. I don't think they are benevolent and altruistic as you imagine. nor as inclusive of 'all pilots.'

It's not that ALPA is never wrong. They just have a lot less motivation to be wrong than management has!

 

[PCL_128]

it seems that you believe ALPA can do no wrong.

Of course ALPA has done wrong. Every organization is run by human beings, and human beings make mistakes. No organization, even your beloved Skywest, can be perfect.

I don't think they are benevolent and altruistic as you imagine. nor as inclusive of 'all pilots.'

I've spent tons of time working with these guys, and you know none of them. I think my perceptions of them are far more valid than yours. I can assure you that Prater has no ill intentions and only wants to do what is right for the Skywest pilots and the profession. He has no vested interest in doing anything else. It amazes me that you can trust Skywest management more than you trust your fellow pilots. Remember, ALPA is just pilots helping fellow pilots.

 

[DashTrash400]

I can assure you that Prater has no ill intentions and only wants to do what is right for the Skywest pilots and the profession.

Age 60 excepted, perhaps

 

[PCL_128]

Age 60 excepted, perhaps

No, I think he actually believes that he's doing the right thing on that. I certainly disagree with him, but he's doing what he thinks is right for the profession and for his members.