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We've lost another one guys. I had a line guy tell me that he's going to GoJerks because he can't stand to wait it out and get a descent job. 600 hour PFT kinda guy. I feel sorry and it's just another excuse for not joining up with the regionals. If they;re hiring ******************************s like this then forget that.
 
jetfo said:
I don't agree with that either. Water under the bridge! But, at least they are concerned about real scabs, not what many on this board consider scabs.

Define Scab though. The definition changes over time. I'm willing to bet when the word was first created it had Nothing to do with Unions picket line crossing. I am going to eat but later I'll put it here again.
 
Mesa Guys,
Act like jerks if you want to on your perception of what a scab is (which is made even more of a gray area now that Go Jet pilots being in a different union). I hope one day your actions do not adversely affect your carreers. A wise man once said that usually when people think they are the most right, they are the most wrong. I have found this to be true. When you get a little older you will find things to be more passionate about like maybe your family or fixing up that summer home, I mean things you can be proud of. If your only source of pride is denying someone a jumpseat or making fun of their windbreaker then maybe you should re-evaluate where your life is going. Its always easy to try to look good by making others look bad. I would never turn you or a Go Jet pilot down for a jumpseat. I don't really care about your company or union even though they took jobs away from my brothers. I am trying to help you get home or to commute beacuse we have all been in that boat and depend on each other. I am sure most of you guys are like PCL 128 all talk but would be the first to try to jumpseat with Go Jet if he needed to. See you around the airport.
 
AirCobra said:
I hope one day your actions do not adversely affect your carreers.

I agree with that statment completely, however I am looking at it from the other end. I am not worried about somday at an interview having to explain who I did or did not allow in a jumpseat. Unless you get Capt. Dingleberry on the interview board I don't think anyone cares. Believe it or not there are many out there who disagree with what TSA did with Go jet and with those who accepted positions with that company.

Companies don't care if you went to go jet. Its every airlines wet dream to have all of us sell out each other to make their bottom line higher. Do you think managment would want to hire someone who bragged on the interview about organizing the whole Comair strike?

The guys who will be on these panels years from now will be made up of us and those to your left and right. Though many people probably won't even remember Go Jet, Chances are some will, and it will take only one to keep you from getting that job.

I think that is a more likely possibility than somone saying "Your not getting hired cause I remember guys from your company dissing Go Jets on an internet bitch board."

As for any GJ pilot that keeps complaining about how unions are worthless and are bringing us down, I don't want to hear it. You voted in a Union.
 
jetfo said:
at least they are concerned about real scabs, not what many on this board consider scabs.

Websters definition again

Main Entry: 1scab
Pronunciation: 'skab
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, of Scandinavian origin; akin to Old Swedish skabbr scab; akin to Old English sceabb scab, Latin scabere to scratch -- more at [SIZE=-1]SHAVE[/SIZE]
1 : scabies of domestic animals
2 : a crust of hardened blood and serum over a wound
3 a : a contemptible person b (1) : a worker who refuses to join a labor union (2) : a union member who refuses to strike or returns to work before a strike has ended (3) : a worker who accepts employment or replaces a union worker during a strike (4) : one who works for less than union wages or on nonunion terms
4 : any of various bacterial or fungus diseases of plants characterized by crustaceous spots; also : one of the spots
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Go Jet pilots during the startup applies.
 
AirCobra said:
Mesa Guys,
Act like jerks if you want to on your perception of what a scab is (which is made even more of a gray area now that Go Jet pilots being in a different union). I hope one day your actions do not adversely affect your carreers. A wise man once said that usually when people think they are the most right, they are the most wrong. I have found this to be true. When you get a little older you will find things to be more passionate about like maybe your family or fixing up that summer home, I mean things you can be proud of. If your only source of pride is denying someone a jumpseat or making fun of their windbreaker then maybe you should re-evaluate where your life is going. Its always easy to try to look good by making others look bad. I would never turn you or a Go Jet pilot down for a jumpseat. I don't really care about your company or union even though they took jobs away from my brothers. I am trying to help you get home or to commute beacuse we have all been in that boat and depend on each other. I am sure most of you guys are like PCL 128 all talk but would be the first to try to jumpseat with Go Jet if he needed to. See you around the airport.
Well said, Almost makes me want to work for Go Jet. sniff. sniff...
 
tomcash said:
What goes around comes around...

Go Jets will continue to grow for the next 5 years as TSA dwindells down. Then flying will transfer back to TSA with a flurry of new hiring and quick upgrades. GJ will then be crying fowl.

GJ is not only hurting TSA pilots but every regional that must compete against them for 70 seat contracts. Even at the same pay rates they are much cheaper since they are only paying 1-2 rates.
 
dav8or said:
Go Jets will continue to grow for the next 5 years as TSA dwindells down. Then flying will transfer back to TSA with a flurry of new hiring and quick upgrades. GJ will then be crying fowl.

GJ is not only hurting TSA pilots but every regional that must compete against them for 70 seat contracts. Even at the same pay rates they are much cheaper since they are only paying 1-2 rates.

Uh....their rates are about the same as the new Comair 70 seat rates. And Comair pilots voluntarily voted in those rates.

And arent those rates higher than anything TSA has ever seen? And would TSA even be allowed to fly those 70-seat planes?
 
stage said:
Uh....their rates are about the same as thsa
And arent those rates higher than anything TSA has ever seen? And would TSA even be allowed to fly those 70-seat planes?

Tsa could never fly the 70 seaters.....they willingly took a job flying for a company that due to a scope can only fly 50 seat jets.....sad thing is....THEY said NO when offered an opportunity to fly 70 seat jets. Couldnt handle getting a couple dollars an hour raise when everyone else like comair is taking pay cuts....now they want everyone to know how wronged they have been done.
SHOULD HAVE VOTED YES
 
Aircobra,
As a veteran, I ask you to PLEASE stop talking about all the veteran working at GoJet. They are a disgrace to the uniform they used to wear.

What would you think of a fellow officer who continuously stabbed all his shipmates in the back? I know you'd probably call him Admiral but apparently some of them got out and are now working with scumbags like you. Did you ever think that maybe there are some combat vets at Trans States? Actually, it doesn't matter at all what you did before you made the decision to go there; all that matters is you did. I will tell anybody my opinion of those "people" at any time and if they individual is a combat vet, that just makes it all the worse. You make me sick.
 
rsspilot said:
Tsa could never fly the 70 seaters.....they willingly took a job flying for a company that due to a scope can only fly 50 seat jets.....sad thing is....THEY said NO when offered an opportunity to fly 70 seat jets. Couldnt handle getting a couple dollars an hour raise when everyone else like comair is taking pay cuts....now they want everyone to know how wronged they have been done.
SHOULD HAVE VOTED YES

WHAT? We could have you ID turning mother!!

We did not want to be the guy's who brought this industry down to a new level.

Scope for whom? AA maybe, united NO!

Have fun where you are, believe what they tell you ,and one day you will get yours!
 
dav8or said:
Go Jets will continue to grow for the next 5 years as TSA dwindells down. Then flying will transfer back to TSA with a flurry of new hiring and quick upgrades. GJ will then be crying fowl.

By then I will be at another place of employement doing my best to make sure the g0jet pilots don't get hired. Multiply me x600 or more who will do the same.

Thanks g0jet guys, tell me again that I should have voted yes. That is all you have to say now, which is pitifull considering the pilots were already at g0jet before we were offered the flying.

The more TSA furloughs, the worse you guys at g0jet look to the industry. Soon there will be more TSA pilots either on the street or displaced from the left seat than you have working there. It's a pitiful company and it's unbelievable that anyone would come on here and try to defend it.
 
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In all reality, I would venture to say that most mainline pilots don't really care what is going on at the regionals. They're probably not a big fan of the regionals as we have taken many of there jobs; so why would they care when regional pilots begin taking other regional pilots job's. Right or wrong it's more or less the way it is. They've got better things to worry about, and the managers that are doing the hiring at majors aren't apt to hire a hard core sink the company bitter union guy from tsa. I personally know of a few scenarios at continental where a bitter tsa guy was turned away at the interview and then a gojet guy was hired when he interviewed next.

The reason we all came to the regionals was to go to the majors, and the way to do that is by making yourself look more marketable on paper. What tsa management did was crooked; however, expected. Hulas hasn't changed and he never will. I too was upset by the whole thing intially as a tsa guy, but eventually you have to put the emotions aside and look at the facts; we all chose to go to work for Hulas way back when. I came to tsa because it's close to home and when I came it was suppose to be a quick upgrade. I didn't come because I was a major fan of HK and wanted to retire working for him...this is a stepping stone to MUCH better things.

Just food for thought, why would a third year pay fo, such as myself at tsa hold onto a counter productive grudge towards go jet and sit on reserve waiting to get furloughed (many more furloughs are to be expected) while just across the hall guys off the street are taking the upgrade that we've rightfully earned since gojet is virtually the same company. I would rather put the emotion aside, take a logical look at the situation, and walk across the hall and claim my left seat since I already work for Hulas anyways. To those that say this would be joining a whipsaw and an alter-ego, myself and many others would say, I'm already a part of a whip saw and an alter-ego at tsa, just not by my choice. Tsa is definately a sinking ship, and if gojet is the closest lifeboat i'm not going to drown. I'm not starting at the bottom of a list to wait another three years for upgrade, I already put my three years in for Hulas so I'm taking the upgrade. To tack another three years onto the process would be the same as taking a three quarter million dollar loss over the remainder of my career when you take 3 years off of the higher earnings before I retire.

I have many many good friends at tsa and I've faithfully sat with alpa through this whole fiasco, but unfortunately we can't win them all. The judge has made his ruling, the gavel has fallen, it's time for us to take the next step forward in our career.

Now before someone blasts another militant and sarcastic remark which is inevitable, stop and analyze the situation. There are already 48 pilots on furlough, In August there will be 12 more for a total of 60. There is still the very likely fact that there will be an additional 32 in September for a new total of 92 pilots out of a job! This is not even to mention the backwards movement on the fo list caused by downgraded captains in the coming months with an additional 10 in August. I will be out of a job by the end of the summer.

This is all I have to say about this matter and for me the issue is now closed.
Good luck to all
 
av8rnate said:
This is all I have to say about this matter and for me the issue is now closed.
Good luck to all

Good luck to you and don't call any ex tsa pilots looking to network for your next job.

I think you just opened the "issue" for yourself. Think carefully.
 
av8rnate said:
In all reality, I would venture to say that most mainline pilots don't really care what is going on at the regionals. They're probably not a big fan of the regionals as we have taken many of there jobs; so why would they care when regional pilots begin taking other regional pilots job's. Right or wrong it's more or less the way it is. They've got better things to worry about, and the managers that are doing the hiring at majors aren't apt to hire a hard core sink the company bitter union guy from tsa. I personally know of a few scenarios at continental where a bitter tsa guy was turned away at the interview and then a gojet guy was hired when he interviewed next.

The reason we all came to the regionals was to go to the majors, and the way to do that is by making yourself look more marketable on paper. What tsa management did was crooked; however, expected. Hulas hasn't changed and he never will. I too was upset by the whole thing intially as a tsa guy, but eventually you have to put the emotions aside and look at the facts; we all chose to go to work for Hulas way back when. I came to tsa because it's close to home and when I came it was suppose to be a quick upgrade. I didn't come because I was a major fan of HK and wanted to retire working for him...this is a stepping stone to MUCH better things.

Just food for thought, why would a third year pay fo, such as myself at tsa hold onto a counter productive grudge towards go jet and sit on reserve waiting to get furloughed (many more furloughs are to be expected) while just across the hall guys off the street are taking the upgrade that we've rightfully earned since gojet is virtually the same company. I would rather put the emotion aside, take a logical look at the situation, and walk across the hall and claim my left seat since I already work for Hulas anyways. To those that say this would be joining a whipsaw and an alter-ego, myself and many others would say, I'm already a part of a whip saw and an alter-ego at tsa, just not by my choice. Tsa is definately a sinking ship, and if gojet is the closest lifeboat i'm not going to drown. I'm not starting at the bottom of a list to wait another three years for upgrade, I already put my three years in for Hulas so I'm taking the upgrade. To tack another three years onto the process would be the same as taking a three quarter million dollar loss over the remainder of my career when you take 3 years off of the higher earnings before I retire.

I have many many good friends at tsa and I've faithfully sat with alpa through this whole fiasco, but unfortunately we can't win them all. The judge has made his ruling, the gavel has fallen, it's time for us to take the next step forward in our career.

Now before someone blasts another militant and sarcastic remark which is inevitable, stop and analyze the situation. There are already 48 pilots on furlough, In August there will be 12 more for a total of 60. There is still the very likely fact that there will be an additional 32 in September for a new total of 92 pilots out of a job! This is not even to mention the backwards movement on the fo list caused by downgraded captains in the coming months with an additional 10 in August. I will be out of a job by the end of the summer.

This is all I have to say about this matter and for me the issue is now closed.
Good luck to all

You would go over there and work to claim what is "rightfully" yours? You know what he is doing to us, years of hard work and patiently working up the ladder is going down the toilet.

I can understand you going to another company, but staying with HK is a terrible decision. You are doing exactly what he wants. He could have made it one pilot list from the begining, this way you start out at the bottom pay.

Don't do it, it's hard for all of us but think about it a little harder first.
 
OMG not this again. REDBOOK! give it a rest already!. Just stop your b i t c h i n g, S T F U, and carry on with your lives already. You sound like you're going to make a difference by posting something up on a message board.
 
skyta said:
OMG not this again. REDBOOK! give it a rest already!. Just stop your b i t c h i n g, S T F U, and carry on with your lives already. You sound like you're going to make a difference by posting something up on a message board.

If I sound like I am making a " difference by posting something up on a message board" then why would I stop?

Ok I am kidding, despite your lack of clarity I know what you meant.

But I am not taking your advice.
 
av8rnate said:
In all reality, I would venture to say that most mainline pilots don't really care what is going on at the regionals. They're probably not a big fan of the regionals as we have taken many of there jobs; so why would they care when regional pilots begin taking other regional pilots job's. Right or wrong it's more or less the way it is. They've got better things to worry about, and the managers that are doing the hiring at majors aren't apt to hire a hard core sink the company bitter union guy from tsa. I personally know of a few scenarios at continental where a bitter tsa guy was turned away at the interview and then a gojet guy was hired when he interviewed next.

The reason we all came to the regionals was to go to the majors, and the way to do that is by making yourself look more marketable on paper. What tsa management did was crooked; however, expected. Hulas hasn't changed and he never will. I too was upset by the whole thing intially as a tsa guy, but eventually you have to put the emotions aside and look at the facts; we all chose to go to work for Hulas way back when. I came to tsa because it's close to home and when I came it was suppose to be a quick upgrade. I didn't come because I was a major fan of HK and wanted to retire working for him...this is a stepping stone to MUCH better things.

Just food for thought, why would a third year pay fo, such as myself at tsa hold onto a counter productive grudge towards go jet and sit on reserve waiting to get furloughed (many more furloughs are to be expected) while just across the hall guys off the street are taking the upgrade that we've rightfully earned since gojet is virtually the same company. I would rather put the emotion aside, take a logical look at the situation, and walk across the hall and claim my left seat since I already work for Hulas anyways. To those that say this would be joining a whipsaw and an alter-ego, myself and many others would say, I'm already a part of a whip saw and an alter-ego at tsa, just not by my choice. Tsa is definately a sinking ship, and if gojet is the closest lifeboat i'm not going to drown. I'm not starting at the bottom of a list to wait another three years for upgrade, I already put my three years in for Hulas so I'm taking the upgrade. To tack another three years onto the process would be the same as taking a three quarter million dollar loss over the remainder of my career when you take 3 years off of the higher earnings before I retire.

I have many many good friends at tsa and I've faithfully sat with alpa through this whole fiasco, but unfortunately we can't win them all. The judge has made his ruling, the gavel has fallen, it's time for us to take the next step forward in our career.

Now before someone blasts another militant and sarcastic remark which is inevitable, stop and analyze the situation. There are already 48 pilots on furlough, In August there will be 12 more for a total of 60. There is still the very likely fact that there will be an additional 32 in September for a new total of 92 pilots out of a job! This is not even to mention the backwards movement on the fo list caused by downgraded captains in the coming months with an additional 10 in August. I will be out of a job by the end of the summer.

This is all I have to say about this matter and for me the issue is now closed.
Good luck to all


You know, it's funny, I have also taken the step back to evaluate the situation. Any thinking person would have done the same in the situation we are in. However, I came to a different conclusion than you. It may be self-destructive but, ultimately, I have too much pride and self-respect to go to work for that place. I have already applied and been hired by this company. I will not prostrate myself again. At some point you have to draw a line just like the heros at the Alamo. Yes, they all died but are remembered as an example to emulate. Think about it.
 
millhouse21 said:
You know, it's funny, I have also taken the step back to evaluate the situation. Any thinking person would have done the same in the situation we are in. However, I came to a different conclusion than you. It may be self-destructive but, ultimately, I have too much pride and self-respect to go to work for that place. I have already applied and been hired by this company. I will not prostrate myself again. At some point you have to draw a line just like the heros at the Alamo. Yes, they all died but are remembered as an example to emulate. Think about it.

Being dead doesn't make you a hero. It makes you a tard for dying for a useless cause. Im sure the Go-Jet pilots are thanking you guys for the quick upgrade. HA HA they thought they could make a difference is what they probably think of you fools
 
You know, let's just suppose that I swallowed my pride and "applied" to GOjet. What would happen? If I was lucky enough to be hired, I would get to spend 2-3 month in training paying or my own housing and making a 60 hour guarantee (it's merely a coincidence that it's the same as TSA; those are "separate" companies). Then, I would finish training and become scheduling's biatch (pretty sure how that's going to go since they are the same people) and fly 6 on, 24 hours off, repeat. Oh, adn I would get the privilege of flying with a bunch of scab-like scumbags. No thanks, I would rather fall on my sword and be able to look in the mirror in the morning. I'll be working somewhere else soon. Hope you scabs like working for the hindu. I'll just stay the ******************** away in the future. "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."
 
Dear Millhouse21,
Please take a moment and in your best unemotional dissertation, explain to the outside world (truthfully) why is TSA furloughing pilots. Then please explain why a TSA pilot would not take a job at GJ if it's "the same company". Who is advising your rank-n-file? What is this rumor that TSA is slowly dying? Gloom and doom. Why have you not merged the lists? Seems to be the most logical next step. If I understand your post TSA has been ordained to have the industry's leading contract. Similar to DAL leading the majors. All I got from that contract is a furlough (911 not withstanding). How does TSA plan to compete with the market forces? Pride and Principle seems noble to me.
 
:angryfireAnyone that joins an "alter-ego" non-union carrier is a SCAB!!!!! Whoring themselves out for just a chance to fly a "Shinny Jet!" What a bunch of POS'S!!
 
oceandude said:
MR. TOMCT you sir, smell like $hit!! wahhhhhhhh!!

Since you are crying in every post, guess you joined an alter ego.

Should have said no to g0jet, oceandude, and left aviation like you were planning several months ago.
 
redbook said:
Since you are crying in every post, guess you joined an alter ego.

Should have said no to g0jet, oceandude, and left aviation like you were planning several months ago.

Actually there are no consequences. One of the higher ups in the ASA union was a scab and has the full support and respect of the pilot group. If you kiss union butt and pay lots of dues they will take you back every time. That way you can secure a new job then quit the union after your off probation. HA HA they thought I was gonna make a difference you can say.
 
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