Why did Skywest?

[spg2bmd]

Q, or not, "circling like vultures", or not, we arent seeing to much in the way of pilot group expansion in the immediate future. Hopefully this will create some growth and seniority list movement for the ASA group.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Frontier claims that the Q uses 33% less fuel than a comparable RJ.

That's true. And the ATR-72-500 uses 50% less fuel than a Q400.

 

[cale42]

Q Burns 2000 PPH at econ cruise.. roughly 340KTAS.. I could be wrong but I don't think any 70+ seat RJ even touches that..

 

[TOOL CRIB]

Q Burns 2000 PPH at econ cruise.. roughly 340KTAS.. I could be wrong but I don't think any 70+ seat RJ even touches that..

A think a CRJ700 can get real close to that above FL350

 

[John Pennekamp]

Q Burns 2000 PPH at econ cruise.. roughly 340KTAS.. I could be wrong but I don't think any 70+ seat RJ even touches that..

From what I've heard, the Q400 burns more like 2200-2500pph with typical cruise speeds (340TAS).

ATR-72-500 burns about 1600pph and cruises at 275TAS.

 

[John Pennekamp]

A think a CRJ700 can get real close to that above FL350

2000pph? In a CRJ700? At what speed?

 

[cale42]

From what I've heard, the Q400 burns more like 2200-2500pph with typical cruise speeds (340TAS).

ATR-72-500 burns about 1600pph and cruises at 275TAS.

I've spent the better part of the last 3 weeks playing with fuel burns in the Q to see what it can and can't do. Like most planes the burn is significantly higher at barber pole. At 250.. which is where we always fly the Q barber poles at 248. It can do this easily.. that trues out to around 365 and will burn 24-2500 PPH. I can pull it back and set it based on fuel flow to exactly 2000PPH, at that point my indicated drops to around 220-225 with an equivalent true of 335-340.

So it all depends on what you want to do and how big of a rush your in.. but 2000PPH is a very attainable cruise number in the Q

cale

 

[John Pennekamp]

I've spent the better part of the last 3 weeks playing with fuel burns in the Q to see what it can and can't do. Like most planes the burn is significantly higher at barber pole. At 250.. which is where we always fly the Q barber poles at 248. It can do this easily.. that trues out to around 365 and will burn 24-2500 PPH. I can pull it back and set it based on fuel flow to exactly 2000PPH, at that point my indicated drops to around 220-225 with an equivalent true of 335-340.

So it all depends on what you want to do and how big of a rush your in.. but 2000PPH is a very attainable cruise number in the Q

cale

Attainable, but not typical. Which was my point. As you stated, typical burns are in the neighborhood of 2400-2500pph. A CRJ-200 is around 3000 and a CRJ-700 is around 3500.

Again, an ATR-72 is 1600-1800. 1/4 less speed, 1/4 less fuel. But it is French! Hehehe, hohoho!

 

[cale42]

I haven't flown RJ's but I would argue rarely do you fly a plane at barber pole all the time. 2500 PPH on the Q is at the pole. I wouldn't term that typical.. 10-20 knots under redline seems more typical to me thus my typical 2000PPH burn.. a Q under a good fuel savings plan could come awfully close to half the fuel costs of a same seat number CR7/9 EMB170/5..

 

[John Pennekamp]

I haven't flown RJ's but I would argue rarely do you fly a plane at barber pole all the time. 2500 PPH on the Q is at the pole. I wouldn't term that typical.. 10-20 knots under redline seems more typical to me thus my typical 2000PPH burn.. a Q under a good fuel savings plan could come awfully close to half the fuel costs of a same seat number CR7/9 EMB170/5..

You said:
Like most planes the burn is significantly higher at barber pole. At 250.. which is where we always fly the Q barber poles at 248.

This was where I was basing my comment. Sorry if I misunderstood.

 

[flyboyzz1]

The E jets are the worst fuel of them all

 

[Microclimates]

my flight instructor told me that if you lean the mixture real good the stretchbarbiejet can get about 3000pph at .77 above 350. but then you have to watch the cilinder temps...

 

[AV8700]

A think a CRJ700 can get real close to that above FL350

per side, yes

 

[BoilerUP]

From what I've heard, the Q400 burns more like 2200-2500pph with typical cruise speeds (340TAS).

ATR-72-500 burns about 1600pph and cruises at 275TAS.

Burn 600-800lb/hr more for 65kts TAS....but what would the fuel burn be in a Q400 if it flew the slower true airspeeds of an ATR-72-500?

 

[spg2bmd]

So, looked on PBS bid equipment feature for pairings next month. There is a new one, used to be CR2, CR7, CR9, now there is also CRX. CRJ 1000 perhaps? A leftover from a failed effort at more flying perhaps. Funny, though, our recent "contract had no rates for this ac. We had rates for emb 170/175, and now this pops up. Any ideas?

 

[Erlanger]

So, looked on PBS bid equipment feature for pairings next month. There is a new one, used to be CR2, CR7, CR9, now there is also CRX. CRJ 1000 perhaps? A leftover from a failed effort at more flying perhaps. Funny, though, our recent "contract had no rates for this ac. We had rates for emb 170/175, and now this pops up. Any ideas?

CRX is simply a CR7 and CR9 mix trip; nothing else.

 

[spg2bmd]

Makes sense. Hadnt seen that before. Are there/ have there been quite a few mixed trips in SLC?

 

[Erlanger]

Makes sense. Hadnt seen that before. Are there/ have there been quite a few mixed trips in SLC?

Those CRX trips only exist in SLC and you wouldn't see that "CRX" designation in PBS till you were qualified to fly both aircraft(CR7 & CR9).

From what I can see, there are approximately 360 CRX trips out of almost 2000 total trips.

 

[spg2bmd]

Have the 5 day trips been reduced in number? I understand that was a bit of an issue, inefficiency maybe.

 

[cale42]

You said:
Like most planes the burn is significantly higher at barber pole. At 250.. which is where we always fly the Q barber poles at 248.

This was where I was basing my comment. Sorry if I misunderstood.

Sorry.. I see how that wasn't clear.. that was an altitude reference.. FL 250.

cale