Why DCI shouldn't want this merger.

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Can you find another reason to bash SkyWest other than the 99 seats for 50 pay thing?

Well... it is a pretty big thing...

 

[SSDD]

Nah, the General is finally going to get his wish. He's going to make use of those 100 seat rates he so proudly agreed to a few months back. After he gets stapled at the bottom of the America West list he will swing gear from the right seat of an Embraer jet.

 

[GOTAFLY]

With 7,413 post I think he must be in a jail cell with internet access! Who the he## has that much time to dream up all the crap he does?

 

[N813CA]

obviously he gets paid too much and works too little. Maybe Mr. LEE should go work at a regional and see how much we should get paid!!!!!!!

 

[GOTAFLY]

He## if you divide the number of post this guy does, it's a little scary. 7,413posts/365days=20.3 years at 1 post a day.











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[doh]

Hey prick, where in my post did you get that I was "giddy" about it??
Maybe you should stop being such an ass for a second, and you'll probably realize that! If you'll re read ANY number of posts, while I may or may not like anyone, finding joy in the fact someone loses their job is pretty pathetic. Maybe its YOU that finds joy in that!

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I never got the impression you are giddy about this. JP, you need to reread his post... and get a clue.

 

[General Lee]

obviously he gets paid too much and works too little. Maybe Mr. LEE should go work at a regional and see how much we should get paid!!!!!!!

You have no clue what you are talking about. I flew E120s for Midway Connect in the early 90s and flew 8 legs a day out of MDW for very little pay. There were no other jobs because of the 1st Gulf War and other airlines furloughing. I bet I made half of what you make now, you cheese ball.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

He## if you divide the number of post this guy does, it's a little scary. 7,413posts/365days=20.3 years at 1 post a day.

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Wow, that was funny. I actually post many responses each time I get on, and I have been doing this since before 9-11. Please place me on ignore if you don't want to see anymore.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Nah, the General is finally going to get his wish. He's going to make use of those 100 seat rates he so proudly agreed to a few months back. After he gets stapled at the bottom of the America West list he will swing gear from the right seat of an Embraer jet.

Wow, again, that was a genius remark. It really makes no sense, since AWA/USAir and DL are in ALPA. Now, if your airline was bought by someone, then you actually could be placed at the bottom or stapled. See, you never knew that because your association, the ones picked by management, don't tell you that.

As far as the USAir possibility, I don't think it will float, and most analysts agree. Only investment bankers and Parker want this to happen. If it did happen, you could easily find yourself sunk, since SLC would probably get the axe (rather than their LAS and PHX hubs). Then SkyWest could try to be an INDY Air clone, and get smashed by Southwest. Wait, what was that, did you just "GULP" ? Yep.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[SSDD]

The problem is you take yourself way too serious. A sense of humor would be helpful.

 

[General Lee]

The problem is you take yourself way too serious. A sense of humor would be helpful.

I disagree. I always inject humor. Well, atleast I laugh. I don't mind humor, but when I debate and others slam, it makes me turn it around too.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Speedtape]

Whether it's USAir or another airline successfully acquiring Delta, there will be further consolidation in the industry. The first merger will be a strategic move for the two parties, the rest that follow will be defensive with the knee jerk mentality of having to follow suit to compete!

This one will have a tough time due to anti-trust issues and the overlapping of service between Delta and USAir East in the North East. It has the potential to greatly reduce competition and capacity, resulting in too much pricing control. One carrier would dominate the markets in the North East.

Should this happen, Salt Lake City, for Delta, would probably perish. There is little orginating traffic and Phoenix is too close with a major presence for USAir, not to mention Las Vegas. Southwest would proliferate at Salt Lake City. Then, there is the LAX initiative that may further impact Salt Lake City. In addition, CVG would make no sense!

In regard to diminishing 50 seaters, this has been forecasted for sometime. They will be placed by the 70-76 seaters, still an RJ, which are much more efficient. The seat mile cost is a tired argument. The seat mile costs on a 777 are cheaper than on the MD88, but if the traffic volume and yield aren't there for a given flight time, you could go broke quickly by not making your breakeven point. Effective marketing requires many different airframes to match supply and demand in the most efficient manner.

I wouldn't put too much stock in Grinstein's rhetoric, emphasizing maintaining Delta as an independent ongoing concern. He is a turnaround artist, just like Stephen Wolf. This is simply posturing to drive up the cost of buying Delta. Everything is for sale! He has done a nice job of reducing costs, keeping the employees onboard, and remodeling Delta into a lean mean machine, every speculative investor's dream! After Delta's emergence from bankruptcy next year, and the loadshedding of all those bankruptcy costs, Delta is positioned to make HUGE profits!

As pointed out earlier, you have to look at the makeup of Delta's Creditor Committee. Boeing and that New York Bank hold the greatest amount of investment in Delta. The New York Bank is the largest creditor. It seems that at least Boeing has a strong interest in keeping Delta independent, due to the fleet makeup, and the potential to sell Delta a large aircraft order after emergence from bankruptcy. Creditors are King in bankruptcy! However, Delta MGMT has control until mid February, according to the papers. After that, w anything could happen!

 

[172driver]

Can you find another reason to bash SkyWest other than the 99 seats for 50 pay thing? I don't really care if you bash on SkyWest or the pilots, (sometimes I do and I work there) but please pick a new reason other than that one. But I quess if I wanted to have 7,413 posts under my belt I'd have to beat more than one dead horse too.

Now, I think the Gen is a tool as much as the next guy, but have to agree with him on this one. Dead horse or not, the single payscale is still putting a lot of downward pressure on everybody else and, in my opinion, is more harmful to regional pilots than the Mesa contract. Thanks guys. Just keep letting that dead horse lie around and kick the rest of us in the face.

 

[RP170]

Can you find another reason to bash SkyWest other than the 99 seats for 50 pay thing? I don't really care if you bash on SkyWest or the pilots, (sometimes I do and I work there) but please pick a new reason other than that one. But I quess if I wanted to have 7,413 posts under my belt I'd have to beat more than one dead horse too.

It's a BIG deal to everyone, especially at the regional level. You are setting the standard by which managment will approach all regionals in their next round of contract negotiations. You guys have basically sold out any chance regional pilots had for improving their QOL and pay flying "large" RJ's. You've set a precedent for the future. Unfortunately, a pathetic precedent that will harm ALL of us! The General is 100% correct in bashing your pilot group because of this. You all deserve it and should now be ashamed that you work for Skywest!

 

[rickair7777]

As long as the DOJ approves this it's a done deal. The creditors just got a huge christmas present; they may get their money back. Comair and Mesa are going to be in a world of hurt as well.

This is exactly my assessment. Too bad about comair (I mean that sincerely).

 

[imacdog]

This is exactly my assessment. Too bad about comair (I mean that sincerely).

If the 1113c motion is successful (and it most likely will be), Comair might not be in as bad of a position as some think. Not that I plan on being around to find out though.

 

[time builder]

Should this happen, Salt Lake City, for Delta, would probably perish. quote]

I was thinking SLC was going to close, until I read the Proposal:
http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/legacy/delta.html

They're looking to use PHX and SLC for their western hubs.

 

[rickair7777]

Should this happen, Salt Lake City, for Delta, would probably perish. quote]

I was thinking SLC was going to close, until I read the Proposal:
http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/legacy/delta.html

They're looking to use PHX and SLC for their western hubs.

I have a lot of experience in SLC, PHX, and LAS, and don't think PHX and LAS could handle the SLC hub traffic. LAS probably could handle the morning stuff, it's pretty quit then.

 

[time builder]

I have a lot of experience in SLC, PHX, and LAS, and don't think PHX and LAS could handle the SLC hub traffic. LAS probably could handle the morning stuff, it's pretty quit then.

The point is: PHX covers the southwest, SLC covers the Northwest. At least that's what the proposal says.

I said it before, and I'll say it again, LAS is more of a mainline destination than a regional hub. LAS has a very low percentage of flights in the regional jet size. I'd bet 95% of airline flights are 737s or bigger.
I wouldn't lose sleep over this. Just because they don't do a lot of transfering there doesn't mean they won't reatain a large presence.

 

[N2264J]

Re: Why DCI shouldn't want this merger

Does anybody remember that this is almost EXACTLY how the buyout started with Piedmont in 1987- the most expensive buy out in airline history...

Not that it has anything to do with your point but Comair is the most expensive buyout in airline history.

I guess what you're saying is: the most expensive by 1987.