WHY are these being "Moved" ?

[Whine Lover]

Moved: Airtran strike vote

Moved: Airline pay to rise?

Moved: Turn that Little Debbie box around for Airtran


I see they have been moved to LCC/Nationals.

Why is that?

Airtran is a "Major Airline" by any definition of the term.

To be fair, all American Eagle posts should be moved to this Forum....As well as Comair and a few others.

So...Who has LPS over Airtran all of a sudden?


YKMKR

 

[Lear70]

I don't know, it might be the webmaster. Usually I can see who has moderated a thread and there's a reason associated with it.

I move things from time to time, but I disagree with moving the AirTran threads as well. I'll look into it and let you know.

Rich

 

[GuppyWN]

It's not the "webmaster".

See what Sheriff clr4theapch knows.

Gup

 

[crj567]

It's not the "webmaster".

See what Sheriff clr4theapch knows.

Gup

He is not the sheriff, he is the "FI God."

-Just for the sake of accuracy.

 

[beagle pilot]

Airtran is a "Major Airline" by any definition of the term.

To be fair, all American Eagle posts should be moved to this Forum....As well as Comair and a few others.

While true, it does make organizing difficult. My humble recommendation is to rename the category "Legacies" and keep the appropriate airlines in this category and keep the present "Regional" and "LCC/National" categories as they are. Better yet, remove "national" from the latter category and just leave it as "Low Cost Carrier".

 

[Metro752]

Thanks for the compliments.. Moving It was easy.. I just went to the LCC section.. "which stands for Low Cost Carrier" and moved the thread back to the Majors.. which by definition are the Legacy carriers..

The sections have nothing to do with the amount of money they make or how big they are.. I was simply trying to keep FI organized based on the forum area's intended use..

Maybe we should just move all the LCC area here to the majors...content here does not seem to matter anyway....

Have at boys..

You should be moving ALL the US Airways stuff to the LCC/Nationsl then as Uncle Dougie says they have a low cost model, and hell their stock symbol is LCC.

 

[GuppyWN]

I'll make it easy.

If it's got props or is an RJ it goes on the regional section.

And WN should get our own special thread since we are so much better than everybody else.

Gup

 

[pilotyip]

Rj?

I'll make it easy.

If it's got props or is an RJ it goes on the regional section.

And WN should get our own special thread since we are so much better than everybody else.

Gup

what is an RJ?, how many seats defines an RJ? E190 110 seats, DC-9-30 107 seats, what is an RJ?

 

[Lear70]

what is an RJ?, how many seats defines an RJ? E190 110 seats, DC-9-30 107 seats, what is an RJ?

An RJ is a Regional Jet.

Regional Jets are operated by Regional affiliate carriers. If that's ALL they operate (RJ's and TP's), then they're a Regional carrier.

I know you know this, but I *appreciate* you stirring the pot. The angrier that mainline pilots get about it, the better we'll be able to take back (or at least stop the degradation) of Scope givebacks.

With the way domestic feed is going in this country, 100- to 110-seat jets (and tuboprops - Q400's for short haul) is going to eventually make up more than half of the ASM's (it almost does now). Pilots will Scope themselves right out of a career if they're not aggressive at re-capturing that flying. 70 seats is bad enough...

That said, I think we've got the forum moves taken care of. Although I agree the benchmark for what defines a "Major" is a bit outdated, in terms of a purely revenue-driven viewpoint (in that sense, Republic and many other Regionals are considered Majors these days), it would be a bit of an upset to the community to suddenly start pushing their career airline out of the Majors forum and back into the LCC forum, especially when some of those "Majors" are the only profitable airlines for the last decade or so...

YMMV

 

[Lear70]

And WN should get our own special thread since we are so much better than everybody else.

Gup

We could put you back in the LCC section if you like... That *WAS* one of the proposals... all the LCC's back into the LCC/National section and only Legacies in the "Majors".

Somehow, I don't think that's what you had in mind...

 

[GuppyWN]

We could put you back in the LCC section if you like... That *WAS* one of the proposals... all the LCC's back into the LCC/National section and only Legacies in the "Majors".

Somehow, I don't think that's what you had in mind...

Uh... Not exactly. :laugh:

I was pot stirring and you called me on it.

Gup

 

[Lear70]

Uh... Not exactly. :laugh:

I was pot stirring and you called me on it.

Gup

Who, me? :nuts: :beer:

 

[pilotyip]

An RJ is a Regional Jet.



I know you know this, but I *appreciate* you stirring the pot. The angrier that mainline pilots get about it, the better we'll be able to take back (or at least stop the degradation) of Scope givebacks.

t

YMMV

So it is not the airplane size, it is who flies it. If they fly it under your airlines name, but it is not on your certificate it is a Regional airplane, even if it is a B-717 or a B-747 right? An airline like ACA that became Independence flying CRJ's was not regional because they flew under their own certificate and did not code share, right?

 

[Lear70]

So it is not the airplane size, it is who flies it. If they fly it under your airlines name, but it is not on your certificate it is a Regional airplane, even if it is a B-717 or a B-747 right? An airline like ACA that became Independence flying CRJ's was not regional because they flew under their own certificate and did not code share, right?

Correct, or at least, that's my interpretation/opinion of it, which is worth exactly what it cost you.

ACA became a National carrier when they went independent (excuse the pun).

By that token, as I mentioned before, Republic now isn't really a Regional anymore, either. I'd put them in the National bracket, even though their income structure is likely enough to put them into a "Major" cateogry.

FlightInfo's "Majors" section has evolved to where any large "career" airline flying Boeings / Airbus gets lumped in. While I don't think this is either good or bad, it's where everyone is used to posting and I think most pilots at Majors/Legacies/LCC's agree for the most part on how they are perceived.

Could be wrong; it's happened before.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Easiest way to determine if a plane is an RJ or not...look at the paycheck that accompanies it.

 

[Flightdawg]

Easiest way to determine if a plane is an RJ or not...look at the paycheck that accompanies it.

Does this mean Allegiant flies RJ's? Sun Country? Where do you determine the cut-off to be?

No airline pilot is going to be paid $150 an hour to fly a 50 or 70 seat airplane. Most airline pilots are paid by the size of the aircraft. Bigger planes do mean bigger paychecks. The problem as I see it are those pilots who accept too little pay in order to achieve a faster upgrade. They are worse than PFT because they are dragging down the pay for those who like their current jobs. If more regional pilots would fight for a better and higher paying contract, we wouldn't see this race to the bottom with substandard RJ contracts plaguing the entire industry.

 

[DrewBlows]

How about moving all airlines to the "Airlines" section? If I'm representative of the average FI user I spend 95% of my time in the "Majors" and "Regionals" sections. I'm also interested in cargo and LCC stuff, but rarely visit those sections because the content isn't updated nearly as much.