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720persecond

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From Airwise news :


Spanish national airline Iberia said it had reached a deal to end a peak travel season strike and would guarantee pilots that the launch of new low-cost carrier would not mean job cuts.
Representatives of Iberia and its Sepla pilots union were to meet at 1100 GMT to sign a deal to end the stoppage, which is into its third day and has cost the company around EUR5 million (USD$6.4 million) a day, the carrier said on Wednesday.
"What the company has done is guarantee Sepla that Catair (the planned low-cost carrier) will not put pilots' jobs at risk," an Iberia spokesman said.
The spokesman said the accord would not involve salary guarantees or pay rises.
Sepla officials were not immediately available to comment on the accord, which was first announced by the Spanish Development Ministry earlier on Wednesday.
The airline has had to cancel about 240 flights a day since Monday. The stoppage was planned for seven days.
Iberia had threatened to ask a court to declare the pilots' strike illegal if the two sides could not reach an agreement.
Pilots began the strike over concerns Iberia's launch of Catair in the autumn would lead to job losses and lower pay. The flag carrier had assured pilots the new company would not lead to forced redundancies.
Iberia on Tuesday said SEPLA had demanded the airline guarantee the salaries of all its pilots until they were 65, including a pay rise of 2 percent above inflation every year.
There were signs the strike was spreading after one of four cabin crew unions at Iberia on Tuesday said its members would strike on July 16, 18 and 20 -- just after the pilots' strike is due to end -- to protest against the planned budget carrier.





At least some of our european brothers have some cojones...unlike all talk no action ALPA
 
720persecond said:
At least some of our european brothers have some cojones...unlike all talk no action ALPA

Oh so now the socialist are your brothers or maybe you mean comrades? Why is that, cause they are doing what you wish you could do?

ALPA?

You're kidding right.....

It is not ALPA rather the RLA and the the free market system that so many of you cherish and adore....

If you want to be a big boy and strike then move to Europe.

In the USA, the good ol boys in power and control have ensured that you will not disrupt the business machine.

Get informed and understand the country that you live in.....
 
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Not defending ALPA but..

Iberia's SEPLA is a member association of IFALPA, and they are not restricted by the RLA, so you are really comparing apples to tortas. But they do have some absolutely naughty FA's, which is worth something in my book.
 
while I agree with you on the RLA Rez , let's not get confused here. the ruling party in spain is the PSOE, and just like the social democrats in germany and sweden or the labor party in the UK, they are 100% capitalist. in europe, most countries are ruled by the "socialist party" wich it does not have the negative connotations it has here in the USA. Just because they don't make rules to destroy the middle class it does not make them communist, hence the comrade comment was way out of base. Specially since socialist and communist parties have hated each other since the beggining of their times, probably because the socialist parties are capitalist and democrats with the idea of trying to provide for social safety net and the same opprtunities for everyone, while the commies are first are foremost not democrats or capitalist.
 
Rez O. Lewshun said:
Oh so now the socialist are your brothers or maybe you mean comrades? Why is that, cause they are doing what you wish you could do?

ALPA?

You're kidding right.....

It is not ALPA rather the RLA and the the free market system that so many of you cherish and adore....

If you want to be a big boy and strike then move to Europe.

In the USA, the good ol boys in power and control have ensured that you will not disrupt the business machine.

Get informed and understand the country that you live in.....


Let's not politicize. And patronize. They struck, and forced a decision. When was the last that happened here ?
 
SNOWBUM said:
while I agree with you on the RLA Rez , let's not get confused here. the ruling party in spain is the PSOE, and just like the social democrats in germany and sweden or the labor party in the UK, they are 100% capitalist. in europe, most countries are ruled by the "socialist party" wich it does not have the negative connotations it has here in the USA. Just because they don't make rules to destroy the middle class it does not make them communist, hence the comrade comment was way out of base. Specially since socialist and communist parties have hated each other since the beggining of their times, probably because the socialist parties are capitalist and democrats with the idea of trying to provide for social safety net and the same opprtunities for everyone, while the commies are first are foremost not democrats or capitalist.

Agreed... the intent of my reply was aimed at the weaked informed, not how it really is over there. In fact the original poster replied and still doesn't get it.

The point of my original post was most guys don't get it. They love to support the free market system of the USA but when it bites them back, they think its the unions fault.....

Stayseated was much better at responding...:beer:
 
Rez O. Lewshun said:
Agreed... the intent of my reply was aimed at the weaked informed, not how it really is over there. In fact the original poster replied and still doesn't get it.

The point of my original post was most guys don't get it. They love to support the free market system of the USA but when it bites them back, they think its the unions fault.....

Stayseated was much better at responding...:beer:

Don't assume too much. I am not as pro deregulation as you might think...
 
720persecond said:
Let's not politicize. And patronize. They struck, and forced a decision. When was the last that happened here ?

It is very political. If you don't like politics, fine then support those who are willing to address your political issues for you.

I won't patronize if you will get informed.

The last time it happened here....

http://www.nmb.gov/publicinfo/airline-strikes.html

Like it was said.... don't compare Budweiser to Sangria....
 
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it is sad that people still think we have free market economi in the US:smash:....is only free market when is convenient for the big corporations,their lobbiest and the polititians they control, but they turn to the goverment for help to screw their workers( RLA is an example) or to use the workers tax money to baile them out of their idiotic greedy mistakes in a second ( savings scandal, or even better, the energy fiasco when Wjunior took over...).

time to wake up
 
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Rez O. Lewshun said:
It is very political. If you don't like politics, fine then support those who are willing to address your political issues for you.

I won't patronize if you will get informed.

They last time it happened here....

http://www.nmb.gov/publicinfo/airline-strikes.html

Like it was said.... don't compare Budweiser to Sangria....

I do prefer sangria and tapas to budweiser...
 
720persecond said:
Good one. How's the Maddog working for you ?

It's big and the layovers are awesome. But believe it or not I prefer the A319 cockpit. More automated, more ergonomic = less work.
 
720persecond said:
From Airwise news :

At least some of our european brothers have some cojones...unlike all talk no action ALPA

One thing your European "brothers" don't have is a RLA to deal with.

Another thiing they have is the majority of their pilots ready to make that walk....unlike the majority of pilots who have voted for concessionary contracts in the recent past.

Next time you go fly....you might want to look around your crew room....thats here the majority of those pilots are.

It ain't ALPA...even if it was the Pilots Puppies Union (PP-U) you would've still had the votes that got you your current contract.

Don't like it? Have you thought about running for office and unseating one of your LEC members? Either your leadership will show with an overwhelming number of votes for your position....or you will see how far out of the mainstream you might be.

Give it a shot....let us know the final election numbers.

Tejas
 
Tejas-Jet said:
One thing your European "brothers" don't have is a RLA to deal with.

Another thiing they have is the majority of their pilots ready to make that walk....unlike the majority of pilots who have voted for concessionary contracts in the recent past.

Next time you go fly....you might want to look around your crew room....thats here the majority of those pilots are.

It ain't ALPA...even if it was the Pilots Puppies Union (PP-U) you would've still had the votes that got you your current contract.

Don't like it? Have you thought about running for office and unseating one of your LEC members? Either your leadership will show with an overwhelming number of votes for your position....or you will see how far out of the mainstream you might be.

Give it a shot....let us know the final election numbers.

Tejas

I was an ALPA rep...
 
GogglesPisano said:
It's big and the layovers are awesome. But believe it or not I prefer the A319 cockpit. More automated, more ergonomic = less work.

I flew both, like you. I miss long layovers as well...
 
720persecond said:
I do prefer sangria and tapas to budweiser...

Cool... I prefer pragmatic, logically applied thought that comes from citable references and resources. Not crewroom banter and flightdeck rumor. (this is not directed at you but at the skilled professionals that are Air Line Pilots)


720persecond said:
I was an ALPA rep...

Then you should know.....
 
720persecond said:
Let's not politicize. And patronize. They struck, and forced a decision. When was the last that happened here ?

NWA had a successful strike in '98. Polar and CMR also struck not so long ago. Of course none of those or Iberia for that matter, were operating under Ch11 bankruptcy protection when they struck.
 
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