Who's certificate???

[CLECA]

Is there a way to find who's certificate an airplane is on by knowing just the N number. Thanks

 

[Colonel Savage]

Type the manufacturer and N number into your bowser and go from there.

 

[ProFracPilot]

I assume you're referring to a 135 on-demand certificate. The only way to know for sure is to have access to an operators Ops Spec D85 "Aircraft Listing". This ops spec isn't general public knowledge, as far as I know. If you're considering using the aircraft in question, ask the operator for a copy of the D85 that they're listed on. If they're above board they shouldn't hesitate to share it with you. Or, you can contact your local FSDO and ask an ops inspector to find out if the aircraft is on "a" certificate. He/she should provide you that basic information, and may or may not share the details.

 

[ksu_aviator]

How about walking up to the aircraft and reading it off the aircraft. There is a requirement for the name of the operator to be visible when entering the aircraft. Many don't follow that requirement, but it is a requirement.

 

[ProFracPilot]

How about walking up to the aircraft and reading it off the aircraft. There is a requirement for the name of the operator to be visible when entering the aircraft. Many don't follow that requirement, but it is a requirement.

KSU is right - that would be a good starting point. But an air carrier i.d. painted or placarded on the airplane is still no guarantee the aircraft is currently on any charter certificate. An aircraft who is part of a 134 1/2 operation, or an airplane that is "between charter certificates" may be (illegally) displaying an air carrier i.d., but not be on that certificate.

 

[CLECA]

I didn't see it. I only know the N-Number. Thanks though.

 

[SpaceBall 1]

How about walking up to the aircraft and reading it off the aircraft. There is a requirement for the name of the operator to be visible when entering the aircraft. Many don't follow that requirement, but it is a requirement.

Where does it say in Part 135 that the operators name is required to visable when entering the aircraft? Do you possibly mean the CofA? That's not going to tell you who the operator is. I know the operators certificate number is required to be visable from the outside.

It's hard to imagine that the FAA wouldn't be all over this. I've been ramped many times and never once has that came up.

Not saying it isn't true, I just want to see it for myself.

 

[stupidpilot]

Where does it say in Part 135 that the operators name is required to visable when entering the aircraft? Do you possibly mean the CofA? That's not going to tell you who the operator is. I know the operators certificate number is required to be visable from the outside.

It's hard to imagine that the FAA wouldn't be all over this. I've been ramped many times and never once has that came up.

Not saying it isn't true, I just want to see it for myself.

I believe it's changed to say either the company name or certificate number. I have to go & dig it up.

 

[SpaceBall 1]

Certificate number is all that I was aware of.

 

[ksu_aviator]

Where does it say in Part 135 that the operators name is required to visable when entering the aircraft? Do you possibly mean the CofA? That's not going to tell you who the operator is. I know the operators certificate number is required to be visable from the outside.

It's hard to imagine that the FAA wouldn't be all over this. I've been ramped many times and never once has that came up.

Not saying it isn't true, I just want to see it for myself.

§ 119.9 Use of business names.

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(a) A certificate holder under this part may not operate an aircraft under part 121 or part 135 of this chapter using a business name other than a business name appearing in the certificate holder's operations specifications.

(b) No person may operate an aircraft under part 121 or part 135 of this chapter unless the name of the certificate holder who is operating the aircraft, or the air carrier or operating certificate number of the certificate holder who is operating the aircraft, is legibly displayed on the aircraft and is clearly visible and readable from the outside of the aircraft to a person standing on the ground at any time except during flight time. The means of displaying the name on the aircraft and its readability must be acceptable to the Administrator.

http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/tex...&node=14:3.0.1.1.2&idno=14#14:3.0.1.1.2.1.1.5

 

[ksu_aviator]

I didn't see it. I only know the N-Number. Thanks though.

Ok...now you have to go into stalker mode. Take the N-Number to flightaware.com or your favorite tracking website and find out what airport it flies into most often. That will likely be its home base.

Use that information to go to the FAA website and find a list of operators at that airport. Then, see which operators have that aircraft type and if you are lucky only one will operate the type of aircraft you saw.

http://av-info.faa.gov/OpCert.asp?SrchBy=Location

 

[SpaceBall 1]

I didn't think you were required to have the certificate holders name legible on the exterior. It's the name or certificate number. I don't recall ever seeing a 135 aircraft with the certifiacte holders name on the outside. There may be some cargo operators that have the name there.

Concerning the other fellow trying to figure out who's certificate the aircraft is on, my question is why? If you're looking for a job, go up and introduce yourself to the crew. If you are trying to sell something, you can get the owners address off the FAA website.

 

[Flyby1206]

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/

You can search by n-number or a bunch of different ways. The n-number search brings up the owner, which may or may not be the charter company but it is a place to start!

 

[Flex-ible]

I didn't think you were required to have the certificate holders name legible on the exterior. It's the name or certificate number. I don't recall ever seeing a 135 aircraft with the certifiacte holders name on the outside. There may be some cargo operators that have the name there.

Concerning the other fellow trying to figure out who's certificate the aircraft is on, my question is why? If you're looking for a job, go up and introduce yourself to the crew. If you are trying to sell something, you can get the owners address off the FAA website.

Could be he is trying to determine if his competition is operating legally.

If you have a certificate number, you can get the name of the operator and a copy of their D85 by filing a Freedom of Information Act request with the FSDO. I've found if you call them, they will pony up the information as soon as you say "public record" and "FOIA" in the same sentence.