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Who really needs to have a medical?
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It's me. I had a little problem with my head (http://www.snopes.com/photos/maggots.asp) but didn't want to quit flying. So far its been no problem. Any other questions?
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The question really is who NEEDS a medical?
The short answer is anyone who will ACT as PIC or SIC for most airplanes, or serve as a required flight crewmember.
Or, the long answer:
§ 61.23 Medical certificates: Requirement and duration.
(a) Operations requiring a medical certificate. Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, a person:
(1) Must hold a first-class medical certificate when exercising the privileges of an airline transport pilot certificate;
(2) Must hold at least a second-class medical certificate when exercising the privileges of a commercial pilot certificate; or
(3) Must hold at least a third-class medical certificate -
(i) When exercising the privileges of a private pilot certificate;
(ii) When exercising the privileges of a recreational pilot certificate;
(iii) Except as specified in paragraph (b)(3) of this section, when exercising the privileges of a student pilot certificate;
(iv) When exercising the privileges of a flight instructor certificate, except for a flight instructor certificate with a glider category rating, if the person is acting as the pilot in command or is serving as a required pilot flight crewmember; or
(v) Except for a glider category rating or a balloon class rating, prior to taking a practical test that is performed in an aircraft for a certificate or rating at the recreational, private, commercial, or airline transport pilot certificate level.
(b) Operations not requiring a medical certificate. A person is not required to hold a medical certificate:
(1) When exercising the privileges of a pilot certificate with a glider category rating;
(2) When exercising the privileges of a pilot certificate with a balloon class rating;
(3) When exercising the privileges of a student pilot certificate while seeking a pilot certificate with a glider category rating or balloon class rating;
(4) When exercising the privileges of a flight instructor certificate with a glider category rating;
(5) When exercising the privileges of a flight instructor certificate if the person is not acting as pilot in command or serving as a required pilot flight crewmember;
(6) When exercising the privileges of a ground instructor certificate;
(7) When serving as an examiner or check airman during the administration of a test or check for a certificate, rating, or authorization conducted in a flight simulator or flight training device; or
(8) When taking a test or check for a certificate, rating, or authorization conducted in a flight simulator or flight training device.
(c) Duration of a medical certificate.
(1) A first-class medical certificate expires at the end of the last day of -
(i) The sixth month after the month of the date of examination shown on the certificate for operations requiring an airline transport pilot certificate;
(ii) The 12th month after the month of the date of examination shown on the certificate for operations requiring a commercial pilot certificate or an air traffic control tower operator certificate; and
(iii) The period specified in paragraph (c)(3) of this section for operations requiring a recreational pilot certificate, a private pilot certificate, a flight instructor certificate (when acting as pilot in command or a required pilot flight crewmember in operations other than glider or balloon), or a student pilot certificate.
(2) A second-class medical certificate expires at the end of the last day of -
(i) The 12th month after the month of the date of examination shown on the certificate for operations requiring a commercial pilot certificate or an air traffic control tower operator certificate; and
(ii) The period specified in paragraph (c)(3) of this section for operations requiring a recreational pilot certificate, a private pilot certificate, a flight instructor certificate (when acting as pilot in command or a required pilot flight crewmember in operations other than glider or balloon), or a student pilot certificate.
(3) A third-class medical certificate for operations requiring a recreational pilot certificate, a private pilot certificate, a flight instructor certificate (when acting as pilot in command or a required pilot flight crewmember in operations other than glider or balloon), or a student pilot certificate issued -
(i) Before September 16, 1996, expires at the end of the 24th month after the month of the date of examination shown on the certificate; or
(ii) On or after September 16, 1996, expires at the end of:
(A) The 36th month after the month of the date of the examination shown on the certificate if the person has not reached his or her 40th birthday on or before the date of examination; or
(B) The 24th month after the month of the date of the examination shown on the certificate if the person has reached his or her 40th birthday on or before the date of the examination.
[Amdt. 61-103, 62 FR 40895, July 30, 1997]
The short answer is anyone who will ACT as PIC or SIC for most airplanes, or serve as a required flight crewmember.
Or, the long answer:
§ 61.23 Medical certificates: Requirement and duration.
(a) Operations requiring a medical certificate. Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, a person:
(1) Must hold a first-class medical certificate when exercising the privileges of an airline transport pilot certificate;
(2) Must hold at least a second-class medical certificate when exercising the privileges of a commercial pilot certificate; or
(3) Must hold at least a third-class medical certificate -
(i) When exercising the privileges of a private pilot certificate;
(ii) When exercising the privileges of a recreational pilot certificate;
(iii) Except as specified in paragraph (b)(3) of this section, when exercising the privileges of a student pilot certificate;
(iv) When exercising the privileges of a flight instructor certificate, except for a flight instructor certificate with a glider category rating, if the person is acting as the pilot in command or is serving as a required pilot flight crewmember; or
(v) Except for a glider category rating or a balloon class rating, prior to taking a practical test that is performed in an aircraft for a certificate or rating at the recreational, private, commercial, or airline transport pilot certificate level.
(b) Operations not requiring a medical certificate. A person is not required to hold a medical certificate:
(1) When exercising the privileges of a pilot certificate with a glider category rating;
(2) When exercising the privileges of a pilot certificate with a balloon class rating;
(3) When exercising the privileges of a student pilot certificate while seeking a pilot certificate with a glider category rating or balloon class rating;
(4) When exercising the privileges of a flight instructor certificate with a glider category rating;
(5) When exercising the privileges of a flight instructor certificate if the person is not acting as pilot in command or serving as a required pilot flight crewmember;
(6) When exercising the privileges of a ground instructor certificate;
(7) When serving as an examiner or check airman during the administration of a test or check for a certificate, rating, or authorization conducted in a flight simulator or flight training device; or
(8) When taking a test or check for a certificate, rating, or authorization conducted in a flight simulator or flight training device.
(c) Duration of a medical certificate.
(1) A first-class medical certificate expires at the end of the last day of -
(i) The sixth month after the month of the date of examination shown on the certificate for operations requiring an airline transport pilot certificate;
(ii) The 12th month after the month of the date of examination shown on the certificate for operations requiring a commercial pilot certificate or an air traffic control tower operator certificate; and
(iii) The period specified in paragraph (c)(3) of this section for operations requiring a recreational pilot certificate, a private pilot certificate, a flight instructor certificate (when acting as pilot in command or a required pilot flight crewmember in operations other than glider or balloon), or a student pilot certificate.
(2) A second-class medical certificate expires at the end of the last day of -
(i) The 12th month after the month of the date of examination shown on the certificate for operations requiring a commercial pilot certificate or an air traffic control tower operator certificate; and
(ii) The period specified in paragraph (c)(3) of this section for operations requiring a recreational pilot certificate, a private pilot certificate, a flight instructor certificate (when acting as pilot in command or a required pilot flight crewmember in operations other than glider or balloon), or a student pilot certificate.
(3) A third-class medical certificate for operations requiring a recreational pilot certificate, a private pilot certificate, a flight instructor certificate (when acting as pilot in command or a required pilot flight crewmember in operations other than glider or balloon), or a student pilot certificate issued -
(i) Before September 16, 1996, expires at the end of the 24th month after the month of the date of examination shown on the certificate; or
(ii) On or after September 16, 1996, expires at the end of:
(A) The 36th month after the month of the date of the examination shown on the certificate if the person has not reached his or her 40th birthday on or before the date of examination; or
(B) The 24th month after the month of the date of the examination shown on the certificate if the person has reached his or her 40th birthday on or before the date of the examination.
[Amdt. 61-103, 62 FR 40895, July 30, 1997]
flywithastick,
uh.....not bait. There are some questions concerning a certain pilot at XJ who has rumored to have had a false medical for many years and kept flying. I was trying to see if any other XJ folks had any more news than I. I, at least, do not consider myself a whacko, but I am relieved to hear that you do.
uh.....not bait. There are some questions concerning a certain pilot at XJ who has rumored to have had a false medical for many years and kept flying. I was trying to see if any other XJ folks had any more news than I. I, at least, do not consider myself a whacko, but I am relieved to hear that you do.
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Ohh, now I understand. You're just a low-life posting a serious accusation about someone on the Internet based on a rumor. One day, after you pull something like this on someone like me, and they find out - you may well end up getting your face rearranged.sf3boy said:
If someone has firsthand, irrefutable evidence that a commercial pilot has been flying without a medical, then a discreet call or letter to the FSDO may well be in order. Until then, I'd really recommend one mind their own business.
SF2boy--
Trust me, you don't want to start naming names or getting too personal with this board. First, it inevitably draws the "flamebait" connotation, then leads one to potential legal liability problems.
None of us is truly anonymous--and none of us really wants a lawsuit for slander or some such drivel.
You are better off going to the FAA hotline if you feel this medical issue is for real.
Trust me, you don't want to start naming names or getting too personal with this board. First, it inevitably draws the "flamebait" connotation, then leads one to potential legal liability problems.
None of us is truly anonymous--and none of us really wants a lawsuit for slander or some such drivel.
You are better off going to the FAA hotline if you feel this medical issue is for real.
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Hmmm.
I was just musing over the possibilities of finding some sort of irrefutable proof about this situation. What would that be? Suppose this guy had let it slip over drinks one night that he had used his computer scanner and photoshop to create a dead ringer for a valid first class medical. Short of an order from the FAA asking the doc to send a copy of the medical issued on such-and-such date, how would this falsehood be determined?
Second, what is the motive? Is this a pilot with a debilitating problem, or one of those CYA medical abnormalities that the FAA says is problematic, but rarely is a problem in real life? Is this a rumor based on other pilots being envious of his seniority, or is he just a guy that goes around irritating others? And why the use of "XJ"? There is only one possibility in my mind, and that one is so obvious that I wonder why these "code letters" would be used at all.
Last, what is the likelihood that asking about this pilot here on this forum would produce a tangible answer? From my perspective, I know a bunch of pilots who have never heard of this place, which suggests to me that someone here is unlikely to know the real scoop, and even less likely to give an answer here on a public board.
Man, that was a strong cup of coffee!!!!
I was just musing over the possibilities of finding some sort of irrefutable proof about this situation. What would that be? Suppose this guy had let it slip over drinks one night that he had used his computer scanner and photoshop to create a dead ringer for a valid first class medical. Short of an order from the FAA asking the doc to send a copy of the medical issued on such-and-such date, how would this falsehood be determined?
Second, what is the motive? Is this a pilot with a debilitating problem, or one of those CYA medical abnormalities that the FAA says is problematic, but rarely is a problem in real life? Is this a rumor based on other pilots being envious of his seniority, or is he just a guy that goes around irritating others? And why the use of "XJ"? There is only one possibility in my mind, and that one is so obvious that I wonder why these "code letters" would be used at all.
Last, what is the likelihood that asking about this pilot here on this forum would produce a tangible answer? From my perspective, I know a bunch of pilots who have never heard of this place, which suggests to me that someone here is unlikely to know the real scoop, and even less likely to give an answer here on a public board.
Man, that was a strong cup of coffee!!!!
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