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http://miva.jacksonsun.com/miva/cgi-bin/miva?NEWS/news_storyV2005.mv+link=200502126941545

Airfare wars causing turbulence for airlines



By JOEL J. SMITH
Gannett News Service
Feb 12 2005

Rock-bottom airfares may be thrilling for travelers, but 2005 is promising anything but smooth skies for the U.S. airline industry.

Analysts and airline executives are warning that cutthroat pricing competition, high oil prices and overcapacity have the industry hurtling toward a crisis that will push major players out of business.

U.S. carriers have lost more than $30 billion in the past four years, including about $7.5 billion in 2004. And the industry is expected to spill at least $2 billion in red ink this year.

Something has to give, said Jacob M. Schorr, CEO of Spirit Airlines, a discount carrier. ''Some of those airlines that are on the brink will have to go out of business before the industry turns around,'' he said. ''There is overcapacity right now, and I don't see the demand growing enough to handle it.''

Northwest Airlines posted $848 million in losses for 2004 but still has strong cash reserves. United Airlines and US Airways are already in bankruptcy. Delta Air Lines narrowly avoided bankruptcy last fall. Most of the major carriers are attempting to negotiate huge wage and benefit concessions just to stay in business.

Hoping to outlast the competition, airlines are adding planes and slashing prices. Over the first 11 months of 2004, domestic air carriers added 7 percent more seats than a year earlier, according to the Air Transport Association. In the same period, passenger traffic rose less than 6 percent.

About 27 percent of all domestic airline tickets today are sold by low-fare carriers, up from 12 percent just 15 years ago.

''We're at a point where the airlines have created a monster, and it's like a runaway train. Nobody is willing to step forward to stop it,'' said Terry Trippler, a Minneapolis airfare analyst.

Ticket prices have dropped 9.1 percent since 2001. While fares could rise if one or two airlines go out of business, the days of selling hugely profitable tickets to business travelers are over.

''If you kill off US Airways, that capacity won't come back as high-cost capacity, but it could come from another low-cost carrier,'' said Kevin P. Mitchell, chairman of the Business Travel Coalition in Lafayette Hills, Pa.

Pittsburgh is one city where a discount airline is replacing routes left open by another carrier. Southwest has announced that it'll begin operating there by May as financially strapped US Airways reduces its presence at that major hub.

At least $6 billion of the industry's projected $7.5 billion in losses during 2004 are attributed to increased fuel costs. Oil soared to $55 a barrel in October, and while it's uncertain where fuel prices will go this year, the price has been hovering around $45 a barrel. In 2003, oil was selling as low as $25 a barrel.

Some say today's shakeout was the inevitable result of Congress' decision to deregulate the airline industry in 1978. Others say the blame rests with major airlines for failing to adapt.

In the 1980s and 1990s, major airlines gained a reputation for gouging passengers, particularly business travelers, with high ticket prices, opening a door for discount carriers such as Spirit, Southwest, America West and others to enter the market.

Troy Feldpausch, a software training consultant from New Boston, Mich., said he has paid substantially more for a ticket in the past simply because he was traveling within the same week.

''About seven years ago, I went on business to San Francisco and the Northwest ticket was $800,'' Feldpausch said. ''Later, my wife and I went to San Francisco on vacation and we both went for a total of $450. I think it's time for the airlines to rethink their business.''

The future is unstable for passengers and airlines alike.

''The pressure is enormous on the legacy carriers,'' said David Stempler, president of the Air Travelers Association in Washington. ''There is no easy solution to this. It's an industry in transition. In the short run, passengers will benefit from the low fares.

''But at the end of the day, there might be less service to fewer destinations and still the price might move upward. The only thing worse than high fares is no fares. We could end up with no service to some areas.''
 
Who is going to fall first?

Nobody, as long as they can all get on the government-sponsored life support known as bankrupcy protection for years and years.
 
Interesting editorial in the Feb. 7, edition of Aviation Week. Specifically discussing Delta Air Lines strategy with there SimpliFares. Starts off citing an old joke about two hunters that are being chased by a bear in the woods. One hunter says to the other, "there is no way we can outrun this bear." "You don't understand the situation," says the other hunter. "I don't have to out run the bear. All I have to do is outrun you."

Goes on so make a case for the course that Delta has taken, but strongly acknowledges the risk factors involved. Basically it is a life or death move by Delta and the time frame for positive results is fairly short. BTW, Delta is now second largest carrier in the world, based upon capacity.

Should be interesting to watch. Can't imagine the likes of USAir or UAL surviving this bloody battle. Wished otherwise, especially for all the employees, but not looking very good at the moment.
 
JohnDoe said:
Who is going to fall first?

Nobody, as long as they can all get on the government-sponsored life support known as bankrupcy protection for years and years.

Really? I can think of numerous airlines that have been in C11 over the past 25 years that didn't make it. Bankruptcy isn't anything new. Some make it. Others don't. How many years did CAL stay in BK in the past 20 years? AWA? BK is a tool that is available to all companies and individuals. Been around for a long time. The rules aren't much different now than they were 20 years ago. You sound anxious to see see an airline or few die. You'll probably get your wish. They'll die when their major creditors feel that waiting longer will not be worth the decreased return on there investment. That's how the system works.
 
Can't imagine the likes of USAir or UAL surviving this bloody battle. Wished otherwise, especially for all the employees, but not looking very good at the moment.


You sound like a broken record. For the past four years everyone keeps saying the same thing. If and when it happens I guess we will have a bunch of "I told you so" posts.
 
Spooky 1 said:
Should be interesting to watch. Can't imagine the likes of USAir or UAL surviving this bloody battle. Wished otherwise, especially for all the employees, but not looking very good at the moment.


Really? Why, in the case of US Air, do you not see a future? Labor costs are low, low, low......and the franchise is strong.

Don't believe all the hype, UAir will be around.
 
Spooky 1 said:
Interesting editorial in the Feb. 7, edition of Aviation Week. Specifically discussing Delta Air Lines strategy with there SimpliFares. Starts off citing an old joke about two hunters that are being chased by a bear in the woods. One hunter says to the other, "there is no way we can outrun this bear." "You don't understand the situation," says the other hunter. "I don't have to out run the bear. All I have to do is outrun you."

Goes on so make a case for the course that Delta has taken, but strongly acknowledges the risk factors involved. Basically it is a life or death move by Delta and the time frame for positive results is fairly short. BTW, Delta is now second largest carrier in the world, based upon capacity.

Should be interesting to watch. Can't imagine the likes of USAir or UAL surviving this bloody battle. Wished otherwise, especially for all the employees, but not looking very good at the moment.



We now have an extra $2.3 billion a year in labor and leasing savings to waste with simplifares. That should worry a lot of the smaller companies that don't have that type of savings. That will cause mergers probably.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
By fall do you mean go into ch11 for a decade?

Or go from CH11 to liquidation?

Or go out of business?

There already have been some airlines falling...
Southeast, USair and United have all fallen but southeast fell the farthest so far but USair and United have fallen the longest.:)
 
SouthEast Airlines went under because they let Paris Hilton and Nichole Richie work there as interns for their T.V. show "The Simple Life 3". They worked as rampers and ticket agents.
 

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