Who is getting the call?

[filejw]

No, mil pilots really don't have a better record. Haven't for quite a while now. I've been in that office in 2 airlines, and have to disagree. Where are you getting that?

That appears to me to be a biased view -can you prove that one out for year 2013- I'm all ears if you have actual evidence.

In every class at every airline I've worked at, the mil pilots 121 inexperience showed in training- how could it not? Now that most civ pilots have thousands of hours of 121 jet/FMS/next gen experience- there is no question who is more qualified, and no question who performs better. Esp online, but training as well.
I will give military pilots their due- they are good at putting one foot in front of the other and getting through bc no civ training is as difficult as military flight training. But I believe you have 10-15 year old information from earlier RJ days.

That was the conventional wisdom in recruitment offices- military pilots were rarely great, bc they had never done the job- but they could get through. Whereas there was a wide variation between civilian pilots, the majority of which had small amounts of jet time, and mostly turboprop time. They were either really good, or pretty bad- and like you said, the ones who needed extra time (ie: $$) were 2/3 civ.

Fast forward to the outsourced world. And many military pilots have had to spend time at regionals bc they were the only ones hiring-( and that's clearly the best all around resume there- .)
But now an average civilian pilot has 3000-5000 hours of jet pic time in these RJ's that have propagated out to every dick with a certificate- and training records no longer reflect that conventional wisdom circa the end of the millennium.

Again, I'm not closed minded and have no axe to grind. But in my experience, which is (humbly) extensive- 6 airlines 20 years, and 16,000 hours, and an interviewer at two. - this "military pilots are better" is pure ego-oriented hook a brother up myth. Show me evidence of that.

And training?? Really?

The job is not "training" -

I will say that I value the military background more than I'm expressing, but I do think that most would be well served to sit in an RJ for a few years before hopping right into a major. Should be required for fighter types. It isn't a dig, it's just getting experience and showing great attitude in getting that all around resume-

I know that's unpopular with those who have that background, but like I said, I didn't create the fighter jock's rep-

Biggest thing I fight against is when the fighter pilots come in all pumped up sh/tting on their peers- even among other fighter guys- it's the dumbest thing I've seen-
Got captains at the mafia that still walk around like iceman... Silly

But again, if you've got evidence to the contrary- go ahead and post

The info comes from my training managers from a conversation say two weeks ago. Old info, maybe but sounds like it will be used when we start hiring again and yes this thought process was used in the 90's and 80's . Are they using old data, maybe but that's what they believe from the last round of new hires .Then again these are the same people that decided TPIC was not a big reqirement anymore. Mostly because some new folks had a real hard time figuring out how to be FO's and we ended up with more than enough complains from line Capts ..FYI I am civ...

 

[Dan Roman]

Plain and simple.....ANY pilot with a superiority complex is, at best, an irritation. This is regardless of background. Just check your ego at the door, and learn the company way.

This sums it up best. Generally speaking, the ones with the superiority complex that think their background makes them better than pilots with a different background are invariably the weakest pilots. Flown with great guys straight out of fighters and flown with great pure civ background pilots. It really is only about attitude, not what you flew.

 

[waveflyer]

Plain and simple.....ANY pilot with a superiority complex is, at best, an irritation. This is regardless of background. Just check your ego at the door, and learn the company way.

Well said- (!)
These skies have been traveled a long time-

 

[waveflyer]

Filej- nothing worse than a right seat capt who can't figure out their role

 

[filejw]

Filej- nothing worse than a right seat capt who can't figure out their role

Right on the money WF but plenty of blame to go-around I'm sure. All this speculation on who is better will not make a difference in 2/3 years when guys like me stop having a good time and leave .Just not enough folks learning to fly and even less separation from services.My kids are good examples. Degrees but nothing special and both got 60k right out of school.People are just no going to put the cash into something that doesn't pay.