Who does the take-off briefing?

[amaineiac]

I'm wondering who does the take-off briefing at your company? Eagle just changed from the FP doing the brief to the captain always doing the brief.

Everyone I've talked to thinks it a dumb idea. I'd like to hear how it's done elsewhere.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

ASA - Captain.

 

[Propsync]

SYX- Pilot flying, unless the CPT. wants to change anything.

 

[Cracker]

CHQ - Capt. first flight of the day regardless of who's the flying pilot ..then the flying pilot briefs their own legs after that.

 

[crashpad]

The Captain does the first 15 seconds, then the FO goes to his happy place.

 

[Jetlink]

COEX - Flying Pilot

Its usually something like, "I'm pretty non-standard, this airplane that runway, Acceleration Height is standard, up to 5000, Lufkin 4 Departure...any questions?"

We're all professionals, we all can read, we all have flown out of these airports a number of times, and we all don't ever listen to briefs anyway, now do we.

 

[jobear]

I still can't belive that the captain says something before we leave. I don't ever recall hearing any " BRIEFING" but I'm kinda thick headed

Jobear

 

[FlyaGuppy]

At our company, the flying pilot will always do the takeoff brief. In my opinion, to have it any other way is ubsurd. Having the captain brief the first officer's takeoff is basically saying "we hired you to fly, but you will fly to the captain's standards." By the FO giving the brief when PF, the captain (who is PNF in this case) now knows what is planned and knows that the FO understands what is required.

To have the captain always brief the takeoff is a catalyst for a breakdown in CRM.

 

[T-Gates]

The PF should brief, becuase it will allow the other person in the cockpit to cross-check the others information.

A good takeoff briefing is essential to make sure both pilots are on the same page.

 

[79%N1]

At ASA, not only does the Capt. brief every TO, which I agree is utterly absurd and useless.....but we do one better. We brief the TO on the taxi out to the runway.....you know, while the FO is watching traffic on the taxiways, listening to instructions from the ramp or ground controllers, and setting up the radios or doing other checks, the Capt is yammering away some relatively important information. IT IS UNBELIEVABLE that we do this!

 

[wms]

It's supposed to change in the fall. I think the captain will still do it, but it will only be the things that are specific for that take off; initial alt and heading, flaps, speeds, n1, plus short runway, wx considerations etc. Not the novel of extraneous info some captains run through now. I think PF should do it too, but I don't think that is going to change yet.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Actually, the new procedures for ASA will be this:

PF will brief at the gate. Someone (not sure if it's going to be the PF or Capt.) will restate heading and altitude and maybe one or two other things at the end of the runway.

That's the word from the training dept. anyway.

 

[captainv]

CMR - PF briefs at the gate

 

[LR25]

USAJet-

Capt. briefs, advances power, steers, calls the abort, on every leg.

FO gets airplane on there leg at 80kts.

 

[CRJ puppy]

USAJet-


FO gets airplane on there leg at 80kts.

You have got to be shatting me...high speed take-off roll transfer of controls?!?

Now I HAVE heard everything!

 

[xjcaptain]

Not sure about other types, by at XJ we have done a transfer of controls during the TO at various speeds on both the DHC-8 and the SF340 for the 9 years I've been here. Not as bad as it sounds. Mostly due to the total lack of nosewheel steering on the SF340 from the right seat (i.e. none) and limited steering through the rudder pedals on either side on the DHC-8.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

In the ATR at ASA we transfer controlls at 70 knots due to a lack of nose wheel steering with the rudder pedals. Although most of us are already pushing on the rudders well before that to get an idea if the darn thing is going to try and shoot off the side of the runway when the captain releases the tiller.

 

[C210drvr]

80 knots determines highspeed v.s. lowspeed abort. In my opinion control of the airplane should never be transfered above 60 KIAS much less above 80. I can't believe that POI's would allow that.

 

[AMANSWORLD]

Take-off briefing what is that...

 

[Sinca3]

ASA

It's supposed to change in the fall. I think the captain will still do it, but it will only be the things that are specific for that take off; initial alt and heading, flaps, speeds, n1, plus short runway, wx considerations etc. Not the novel of extraneous info some captains run through now. I think PF should do it too, but I don't think that is going to change yet.

Yep...I've been told this is the new procedure also. I was told about it in recurrent about 2 motnhs ago, so I would think it will be going into affect within the next 2-3 years!! About the same as us going Cat II, getting ACARS, and getting that contract signed in one year!!
Seriously though, The PF will brief the flight at the gate then the Capt will hit the "high points" on the taxi out.

 

[LR25]

You have got to be shatting me...high speed take-off roll transfer of controls?!?

Now I HAVE heard everything!

I have never seen this type of operation before either untill I came here.

 

[avpro91]

For those who've flown "wetdream" jetstream, the guy in the right seat doesn't get on until 70 kts. Then he gets off at 70 too. This seems to be pretty common for turboprops of this type. Seemed pretty screwed up when I first heard about it too, but you have very little rudder effictivness if any before that, althought Stifler's mom is right, your usually hanging on before that to see whats gonna happen when the tiller comes out of the equation. Usually I'll tell the guy if it's going one way or the other, but not always...keeps em on their toes.

 

[General Lee]

DL--the pilot flying. The Capt listens and makes his/her own comments afterwards if it is the FO's leg.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[T-Gates]

For those who've flown "wetdream" jetstream, the guy in the right seat doesn't get on until 70 kts. Then he gets off at 70 too. This seems to be pretty common for turboprops of this type.

Ditto...Same on the Shorts

 

[LR25]

When I flew Dash's, and it was the FO's leg, the Capt lined it up and then handed the airplane over, FO would advance the power levers and Capt would set T/O power.

Capt would be on the tiller only for a short distance.

The FO would also conduct the brief.



At my airline, the FO does not have abort authority, even on his leg, We as FO's "call out malfuntions" but do not call for the abort.

Also, if there is going to be an abort, the capt conducts the abort, even on the FO's leg. Is there anybody out there that has heard of this before?

 

[tin kicker]

COEX - Flying Pilot

Its usually something like, "I'm pretty non-standard, this airplane that runway, Acceleration Height is standard, up to 5000, Lufkin 4 Departure...any questions?"

NOW I know why I've been seeing so many altitude busts coming out of IAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!