Which one would you choose?

[Flybet3]

Hey guys....I have two job offers and I am having a hard time choosing.
I need some advice as to what to choose. I was offered a job to fly as an SIC in a Lear Jet 31a out of florida for 28k a year. They offer insurance benefits and the company seems to be growing. On the other hand I was offered a job in a Lear 25 and 35 as a contract SIC, they pay there is $200.00 a day flying about 15 to 20 hours a month, no relocating is required b/c the job is here in Dallas and the company has been in business for a good time. You older more experienced guys, if you can give me some advice as what would be a good choice. They are both 135 jobs, I have around 2000 hours, married (no kids) and a LR Jet type rating. Should I take the contract job or relocate to St. Pete florida? Thanks for the help guys...

 

[English]

Ask your spouse for his/her opinion.

 

[semperfido]

they sound equivalent. ask spouse her opinion. which one has most oportunity? If you don't have to/want to move then take local one and keep looking.

 

[wannab0133]

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dont accept 28k/year as a typed crew member in a jet. way too low.....

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Dont move your family across the country for a 28K learjet job that could very well be gone tommorrow...unless they WANT to go to Florida. Keep in mind there a very few decent corp/charter gigs in FL. Its the land of garbage charter and scumbag operators. Its infamous.

Another consideration is which one will get you PIC time quicker. That always looks good for the future. You wont make much money as a Learjet pilot but you can move up and out of Lears once you are a Captain on something.

good Luck!!!

 

[750driver]

Hey guys....I have two job offers and I am having a hard time choosing.

They are both 135 jobs, I have around 2000 hours, married (no kids) and a LR Jet type rating. Should I take the contract job or relocate to St. Pete florida? Thanks for the help guys...

Question 1: what are you looking to achieve at this point in your career? More jet time? PIC? SIC? etc. Will either of these jobs provide what you're looking for?

Question 2: Are they paying for the relocation to FL? If not, it could cost substantial dollars to relocate, setup new deposits for an apartment, utilities, etc. You also need to consider the job market for your spouse. I lived in Florida for 7 years and I can assure you, the job market (overall) does not pay very well for MOST jobs. Obviously, it depends on what your spouse does for a living. 28K doesn't go very far when you consider all the possible expenses IMO.

Best of luck to you

 

[English]

How'd you get a LR type rating with no time in type? Just curious...

 

[Co737drvr]

On the other hand I was offered a job in a Lear 25 and 35 as a contract SIC, they pay there is $200.00 a day flying about 15 to 20 hours a month, no relocating is required b/c the job is here in Dallas and the company has been in business for a good time.

Flybet3,

Who is the company in Dallas? If you don't want to answer in public, PM me. I did alot of Lear 20 and 30 series contract flying out of the metroplex back in the early to mid 90's. I may have some more info on the company you are considering.

 

[Flybet3]

hmmm....

Question 1: what are you looking to achieve at this point in your career? More jet time? PIC? SIC? etc. Will either of these jobs provide what you're looking for?

Question 2: Are they paying for the relocation to FL? If not, it could cost substantial dollars to relocate, setup new deposits for an apartment, utilities, etc. You also need to consider the job market for your spouse. I lived in Florida for 7 years and I can assure you, the job market (overall) does not pay very well for MOST jobs. Obviously, it depends on what your spouse does for a living. 28K doesn't go very far when you consider all the possible expenses IMO.

Best of luck to you

Well at this point, I'm really wanting to get some Jet PIC and experience in the Lear....there are so many jobs in lears, but alot of them want some experience in type. I'm really wanting to get some PIC time and some good quality flight time so I can move on to a better paying job. The company in FL is NOT providing any relocation expenses, so that's a big downer.

 

[Flybet3]

I know

Dont move your family across the country for a 28K learjet job that could very well be gone tommorrow...unless they WANT to go to Florida. Keep in mind there a very few decent corp/charter gigs in FL. Its the land of garbage charter and scumbag operators. Its infamous.

Another consideration is which one will get you PIC time quicker. That always looks good for the future. You wont make much money as a Learjet pilot but you can move up and out of Lears once you are a Captain on something.

good Luck!!!

Yeah, I know....28k is pretty low, and just to correct my self it 300 a day here in Dallas and 350 after six months. So it's not all bad. I just really want to network my self here to a point where I can find a permanent job here in Dallas. Florida is nice, but so many lear jobs over there that dont pay squat!

 

[pilotyip]

It is always easier to get a flying job when you have a flying job. TJ PIC gets you the next interview for a bettter job. Which one of these will get you TJ PIC? If the Fla job has a chance of doing that, then you have to make the move. I see too many pilots getting into QOL before they have the resume to seek the QOL job. You are not done paying your dues yet.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

It is always easier to get a flying job when you have a flying job. TJ PIC gets you the next interview for a bettter job. Which one of these will get you TJ PIC? If the Fla job has a chance of doing that, then you have to make the move. I see too many pilots getting into QOL before they have the resume to seek the QOL job. You are not done paying your dues yet.

YIP's spot on. (did I say that!!)

until you get some PIC time you wont have very many good job oppotunities (pay or QOL) outside a major airline - and getting hired at a major - if many were hiring - without PIC time is even harder. SIC's at the charter level are a dime a dozen - and they pay that way. Decent corp gigs rarely (if ever) hire guys who have not demonstrated they are PIC's.

Lear Captains can begin to make a liveable wage and can move up to many other arenas once they demonstrate they are Captains. Fellow pilots seem to think that if a young guy can wrestle an old POS charter/medevac Learjet around in all sorts of wx...well...then FlightSafety can probably teach him to program a G550.

Make this stage as painless as possible. fly a lot and upgrade. move on if you cant at one place.

Definitly dont seek long term or QOL at the positions you describe. You have a very large probability of being disappointed!

Good Luck.

 

[Kingairrick]

If the job in PIE is with Elite Air, find some current employees to ask about the company. I have a good friend who left recently, and know several people who have worked there. They seem to have a revolving door over there. The owner has the rep of being a hard guy to work for. I don't know him, it's just what I have heard around the field. I would check it out before moving across the country for a job you may hate in 6 months. The pilot market in this area is pretty tight for the good jobs...
Also, I heard they are making most people pay for their own type/recurrent training. Ask before you move.

 

[RVR5000]

I think you can find a better Lear job for more than 28K a year. I know the company you are talking about and they offered me a Lear 60 Position as Captain out of ILG and I was going to be doing a LOT more extra besides flying the plane with 1 other pilot and they offered me 60K a year. I laughed and asked if he was kidding and he said no.. I don't know to much about this company but I do know they are always looking for pilots which tells me they must have some problems besides the pay issue.

 

[Flybet3]

I think you can find a better Lear job for more than 28K a year. I know the company you are talking about and they offered me a Lear 60 Position as Captain out of ILG and I was going to be doing a LOT more extra besides flying the plane with 1 other pilot and they offered me 60K a year. I laughed and asked if he was kidding and he said no.. I don't know to much about this company but I do know they are always looking for pilots which tells me they must have some problems besides the pay issue.

Yeah, if you are thinking about Elite Air, that's the company. The chief Pilot is a pretty nice guy, the owner seems kinda rough though. I met the owner and he wasnt like the nicest guy. He was kinda like those agents from the Matrix. I'm just trying to figure out what to do, if nothing comes open here in Dallas...

 

[G4G5]

Take the contract job.

At 2000+ hours you need some more quality time to get the better paying jobs. It doesn't matter where you get that time from.

@28k this is obviously not your dream job and you plan on moving on. The problem is when your next employer ask what your previous salery was, bingo! You set the bar too low and it will take quite some time to catch up.

With the contract job you are not tied to anyone and it allows you to keep looking wile you build up time for virtually the same salery (you do get some healthy tax breaks with contract). But when your next employer asks what you were making just answer indusrty contract wages for a XXX.

 

[h25b]

ONCE AGAIN YOU ARE AN ARROGANT DOOSH BAG!! and if you dont mind having your wife work for months and pay the bills while you stay home, send resumes and probably scratch your bolas! than thats you.

Hey G200,
Just make sure not to come off as an arrogant "doosh bag" with this kid... Looks like he's finally figured out that $28,000 IS an insult... G4G5's got it right, your crazy to move to FL for 28K...

 

[Flybet3]

Hey G200,
Just make sure not to come off as an arrogant "doosh bag" with this kid... Looks like he's finally figured out that $28,000 IS an insult...

No, you arrogant doosh bag....I always knew 28k was an insult, but when I was offered the job in Florida that's all I had lined up at the moment. A couple of weeks later I was getting calls from other companies. When I was offered the job in Florida my attitude was "well this is all I've got now, I need to bite the bullet" you sound like those jerk 0ff$ that work for the media. You doosh bag

 

[Flybet3]

yeah yeah yeah

Hey G200,
Just make sure not to come off as an arrogant "doosh bag" with this kid... Looks like he's finally figured out that $28,000 IS an insult...

No, you arrogant doosh bag....I always knew 28k was an insult, but when I was offered the job in Florida that's all I had lined up at the moment. A couple of weeks later I was getting calls from other companies. When I was offered the job in Florida my attitude was "well this is all I've got now, I need to bite the bullet" you sound like those jerk 0ff$ that work for the media. You doosh bag

 

[h25b]

Relax Francis,

I just found it pretty generous of G200 to even reply to your question after the comment you made.