Which Major is Best for a New Hire?

[Ex737Driver]

Since luckytoblowforajob hates cal, I would take her advice and avoid.

 

[catIIIc]

Thanks, AA, UNICAL?

I know CAL gives everyone a PIC Type in all aircraft I don't know about UAL.

 

[bluefin]

ual...yep!

 

[JudgeSmails218]

US Airways is expecting to hire in '11. Supposedly there are 800+ pilots over 60 as of now.

 

[whatitdoing?]

US Airways is expecting to hire in '11. Supposedly there are 800+ pilots over 60 as of now.

Doesn't change much though. :erm:

 

[FLYLOW22]

I'm assuming most, if not all, majors will be hiring off the street in 2011. If one had a choice, which major would be best to get hired at in 2011 and why? (I know 'best' is relative, but let's assume pay, seniority/advancement, and retirement are the criteria)

I'm particularly interested in which is better between DAL and AMR (assuming AMR starts hiring) but would be interested in what's going on at other airlines too.

Trick question?

 

[General Lee]

US Airways is expecting to hire in '11. Supposedly there are 800+ pilots over 60 as of now.

Delta has 1700 pilots between 60 and 65 now, and will have 2200 by this upcoming Summer.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Superpilot92]

get hired at Delta next year and you'll be 50% in the company in less than 10 years assuming -0- growth. Any growth (projecting a minimum of 3%) just moves that number sooner. Big time retirements coming at Delta fwiw

 

[airgator]

get hired at Delta next year and you'll be 50% in the company in less than 10 years assuming -0- growth. Any growth (projecting a minimum of 3%) just moves that number sooner. Big time retirements coming at Delta fwiw

Huh? 6000 pilots in 10 yrs retiring = Not even remotely close. Check your math.

 

[fareview]

A type means nothing....The next job will take you on your experience and suitability AND will re-train you in their culture.

So if you have 5000 in the RHS of 75/6...whether the paperwork says SIC/PIC means nothing.

And believe me if the co. needs a PIC rating and will not pay for it...you'll be looking for a new job in six months anyway...

fv

 

[Ky.BrownBourbn]

Jetblue

then AA does a pre packaged bankruptcy in the next two years, dumps eagle, buys jetblue and gets over 200 new planes overnight and over 40% of the market in JFK, dumps 5 billion in long term debt, walks out of the filing with over 10billion in the bank, all the guys over 63 take their packages and sail off at the rate of 1000 a year with depends and ensure to look forward to

Within 5 years you are sitting 777 international fo making 200k a year undder their new cba

I may believe all of this statement except the last few words...

"making 200k a year undder their new cba"

If bankruptcy is involved, it ain't gonna happen BUT one can dream right???

KBB

 

[TheDogsBollocks]

Southwest gets my vote, based on their track record of profitability, employee/management relations and working conditions.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Huh? 6000 pilots in 10 yrs retiring = Not even remotely close. Check your math.

2022 is when the half way point retires.


On the contrary, 2029 is when the half way point at WN/FL retires! That's a long time in the right seat....

 

[KarmaPolice]

get hired at Delta next year and you'll be 50% in the company in less than 10 years assuming -0- growth. Any growth (projecting a minimum of 3%) just moves that number sooner. Big time retirements coming at Delta fwiw

Here are the retirement numbers. Delta's list is about 12,300 now.

2011 8
2012 19
2013 102
2014 162
2015 224
2016 301
2017 360
2018 456
2019 538
2020 624
2021 807 =3601 total in eleven years.

2022 860
2023 812
2024 810
2025 714 =6797 total in fifteen years.


This assumes they all make it to 65. But the 50% in 10 years is wishful thinking. So is the "1700 over 60" quoted earlier.

Delta 10-15 percent bigger in 10 years is a realistic bet. New hire upgrade will be more than a decade away, and that is if everything goes well for the American economy, and legacy airlines.

Terrorism, rising oil prices, and mergers will also be major factors looking ahead.

 

[johnsonrod]

Here are the retirement numbers. Delta's list is about 12,300 now.

2011 8
2012 19
2013 102
2014 162
2015 224
2016 301
2017 360
2018 456
2019 538
2020 624
2021 807 =3601 total in eleven years.
2022 860
2023 812
2024 810
2025 714 =6797 total in fifteen years.

This assumes they all make it to 65. But the 50% in 10 years is wishful thinking. So is the "1700 over 60" quoted earlier.

Delta 10-15 percent bigger in 10 years is a realistic bet. New hire upgrade will be more than a decade away, and that is if everything goes well for the American economy, and legacy airlines.

Terrorism, rising oil prices, and mergers will also be major factors looking ahead.

Thanks Debbie Downer!

 

[T-1GUY]

Wow... Accurate, Timely, Useful information given on Flightinfo...

I almost spilled my beer...

 

[HDA]

Look at Virgin America if you have the requirements. If their plans play out for the next 5 years it would be a great move. Pay is an issue but the company has only been operating for three years. I am thinking that with time and success the pay will increase. However, the prospect of getting a number there and gaining seniority quickly is nothing like anywhere else at this time. I have not met a happier pilot group. Naysayers have at it......Its not a Major....look at the uniforms...pay not up to par....its all been said, but I think Virgin America is worth a long hard look. (I do not work for VA)

 

[AA717driver]

AA has high risk/reward. TONS of retirements coming. The recalls are just not returning in the numbers to be a big factor but the Niccolau arbitration said AA has to offer 800 some Eagle guys a job when they do start hiring (REALLY hiring, not the sham interpretation of the arbitrator.).

Even so, it will be a pretty quick ride to the top once the retirements kick in.

Downside: AA seems to be following that oh-so-successful plan of shrinking to profitability that worked so well with TWA, PanAm, etc. Management is far more interested in playing games with the CBA's, preferring to take ten years to wring the last penny out of a work group while sacrificing upturns in the travel market.

In ten years, they will either own the world again or be a takeover target.

TC

 

[xjhawk]

I am waiting for a flow to Delta oh wait they took that away!