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Where's all Delta's cash going??

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CREDIT WEEK FOCUS
By Philip Baggaley, CFA

[font=arial,helvetica,univers]On Aug. 19, 2004, Standard & Poor's lowered its ratings on Delta Air Lines (DAL ), including a reduction in Delta's corporate credit rating to 'CCC' from 'CCC+', reflecting an increasing risk of an out-of-court restructuring of debt. The rating outlook is negative.if (!window.adOb) document.write(''); if (!adOb.commonAdVars) setAdProps("db", "", false);writeAd(adOb.pp9, "db_general_9.htm", "PP9", 1, 1);


On Aug. 18, Delta announced a consent solicitation seeking permission from holders of many equipment trust certificates and pass-through certificates (but not enhanced equipment trust certificates) to lift limitations on the airline's ability to buy and hold the certificates, in order "to provide Delta with greater flexibility to effect a successful out-of-court restructuring." Earlier, Delta CEO Gerald Grinstein, in a July 30, 2004, letter to Delta's pilots' union, said that management is "working hard to restructure debt, renegotiate aircraft leases, and reconstruct [the company's] relationship with vendors and suppliers" as part of a comprehensive turnaround plan.

Restructuring of bond payments or a coercive exchange would be considered a default and cause the company's corporate credit rating to be lowered to 'D' (default) or 'SD' (selective default). Ratings of equipment trust certificates and pass-through certificates were lowered two notches, to 'CCC', the same level as the revised corporate credit rating. Ratings of most senior classes of enhanced equipment trust certificates, which are considered more difficult to restructure outside of bankruptcy, were not lowered.

Delta's consent solicitation provides the clearest signal yet that the company will seek to restructure selected debt obligations outside of bankruptcy. The changes sought would make possible certain types of debt restructuring, such as a tender offer or exchange offer, if certificate-holders agree. Separately, Delta's CEO presented the conclusions of an extensive strategic review and recommended a turnaround plan to the company's Board of Directors. Details were not disclosed, but Grinstein said in a letter to employees that it would involve further pay and benefit cuts for all employees, and changes in the airline's routes, fleet, and fare structure. Delta announced on Aug. 19, 2004, a substantial fare cut and fare simplification at its Cincinnati, Ohio hub.

Delta's management is seeking substantial cost concessions from its pilots approaching or matching those achieved by airlines in or at the edge of bankruptcy. The pilots' union has offered concessions it values at about $700 million, while management says that the company needs a minimum of $1 billion of savings (higher than a previous target), which would include changes to the pilots' pension plan. Management has indicated that it would consider granting profit-sharing and/or an equity stake in the company in return. Delta's moves toward debt restructuring could help its chances of securing an agreement from the pilots by demonstrating that various stakeholders, not only employees, will bear sacrifices.

Liquidity: Liquidity, previously substantial, is dwindling rapidly, with $2.0 billion of unrestricted cash at June 30, 2004, down from $2.7 billion at December 31, 2003. The company indicated that it expects its cash position to decline at a similar rate during the second half of the year, which would imply year-end cash of $1.5 billion. Although this amount in itself would not necessarily trigger a bankruptcy filing, expectations of further cash losses during the seasonally weak first quarter might persuade Delta to file for Chapter 11 unless it had secured the labor concession it is seeking.

Debt maturities for the remainder of 2004, based on the most recent available information, total about $410 million ($290 million in the third quarter and $120 million in the fourth quarter), with a further $1.2 billion due in 2005. Delta expects to fund a further $50 million into pensions during 2004, after having contributed most of its required amounts earlier in the year. The company also forecasts $370 million of capital expenditures for the third quarter of 2004, of which $210 million is for regional jets (a "substantial" portion of which will be financed under existing commitments).

The company has no availability under credit lines, other than commitments to finance upcoming regional jet deliveries. These commitments do not have covenants that Delta is in danger of violating.

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Baggaley is a credit analyst for Standard & Poor's Ratings Services
 
The cash is going to pay for the health care benefits of the old-bag flight attendants.... They need to retire soon.
 
On Your Six said:
The cash is going to pay for the health care benefits of the old-bag flight attendants.... They need to retire soon.
As well as health care benefits for the bald, potbellied pilots and their Viagra prescriptions.
 
Good one Dave. But the old-bag, over-weight, crotchety FAs are STILL more expensive. I say,follow Singapore Airline's lead and recycle the FAs after age 27. Young, fresh and enthusiastic flight attendants would be a welcome and less-expensive change for EVERYONE at Delta...
 
On Your Six said:
Good one Dave. But the old-bag, over-weight, crotchety FAs are STILL more expensive. I say,follow Singapore Airline's lead and recycle the FAs after age 27. Young, fresh and enthusiastic flight attendants would be a welcome and less-expensive change for EVERYONE at Delta...
Not all are like that, but I do notice that when I go into a successful "chain" restaurant (like Outback, or Houston's) , you won't find many people waiting on you over the age of 30. Makes me wonder why perspective older employees haven't filed a class action about hiring policies with these restaurants.
 
On Your Six said:
Good one Dave. But the old-bag, over-weight, crotchety FAs are STILL more expensive. I say,follow Singapore Airline's lead and recycle the FAs after age 27. Young, fresh and enthusiastic flight attendants would be a welcome and less-expensive change for EVERYONE at Delta...
Once again with the ranting about the FA's. Lemme guess, your ex-wife is a DL FA who took you to the cleaners.

If DL followed Singapore's lead, they'd face a huge age discrimination lawsuit. Then instead of whining about your concessions going to RJ's, you could whine about them going to pay lawyers.
 
On Your Six said:
Good one Dave. But the old-bag, over-weight, crotchety FAs are STILL more expensive. I say,follow Singapore Airline's lead and recycle the FAs after age 27. Young, fresh and enthusiastic flight attendants would be a welcome and less-expensive change for EVERYONE at Delta...
Here's an even better swap for you OY6.



How about taking the bald, pot-bellied, grumpy 60 year-old pilots with erectile dysfunction problems and hemorrhoids and replacing them with a 36 year-old pilot in perfect health, great hand-eye coordination and pilot skills, and who is enthusiastically customer focused. The old fart pilots cost the company way more than the old bag FA's.



This is the BEST situation for everyone at Delta.
 
DLslug said:
[font=arial,helvetica,univers]The company also forecasts $370 million of capital expenditures for the third quarter of 2004, of which $210 million is for regional jets (a "substantial" portion of which will be financed under existing commitments).

The company has no availability under credit lines, other than commitments to finance upcoming regional jet deliveries.[/font]
Holy smoke! Delta's putting much of their available cash into the only profitable segment of the company! Time for a revolution!

Look, I know as well as you that the more big planes, the better for all of us. I also support y'all 100%. But you gotta fill those planes up and get a fare that will support a viable cost structure. That ain't happenin' right now. Until it happens, it's understandable that they would want to maximize their profitable entities.

Rule one of a corporation/business: maximize your profit
 
DaveGriffin said:
Here's an even better swap for you OY6.



How about taking the bald, pot-bellied, grumpy 60 year-old pilots with erectile dysfunction problems and hemorrhoids and replacing them with a 36 year-old pilot in perfect health, great hand-eye coordination and pilot skills, and who is enthusiastically customer focused. The old fart pilots cost the company way more than the old bag FA's.



This is the BEST situation for everyone at Delta.
Wow Dave - you impress me. Let me guess, you used to date a bald, pot-bellied, grumpy 59 year old dude and he dumped your a$$ and now you are pi$$ed.... Typical DAL pilot! Guess what? Most passengers would likely agree with me (I have overheard it every time I have flown Delta in the last 6 months on repositioning flights) that the DAL stews are seriously old and not very service oriented - especially when compared with their counterparts at JetBlue and AirTran (younger and more enthusiastic). That's a fact. Go ahead, ask passengers yourself if they have noticed a drop in customer service from the stews or if they have found friendlier stews elsewhere... Singapore is world renown for its high service standards. Well, guess what? Average age of the Singapore stews is 25 (they are not old enough to be jaded). Coincidence?

Now, you and I always disagree about this point. So, let's agree to disagree and let's watch DAL sink into more of an abyss as service levels continue to degrade and once-loyal passengers choose friendlier and more enthusiastic pastures...

Happy flying!
 
MedFlyer said:
Once again with the ranting about the FA's. Lemme guess, your ex-wife is a DL FA who took you to the cleaners.
MedFlyer;

It's more likely that OY6 drank one of the older, less attractive FA's pretty during a layover and he caught a dose from her. That would account for his fixation on firing all FA's over 30.
 
On Your Six said:
Good one Dave. But the old-bag, over-weight, crotchety FAs are STILL more expensive. I say,follow Singapore Airline's lead and recycle the FAs after age 27. Young, fresh and enthusiastic flight attendants would be a welcome and less-expensive change for EVERYONE at Delta...
I agree, especially when you consider their customer service skills and their "we're PRIMARILY here for your safety" attitude is half the reason people are jumping ship on DAL and other major airlines that offer "full service".

I say give the F/A's an arbitrary 50% pay cut along with all the gate agents and Ramp service people, and keep the pilots where they are, as well as the Mechanics! Those are the professionals that make an airline, not some dingbat that left her job at Macy's cause she wanted to travel and 20 years later she's still pushing carts up and down the isle cause it pays more than any other HS diploma job out there!
 
DaveGriffin,

Aircraft Experience: Jumped, not flown,
Flight Experience: USN
Ratings: C-130 Combat Talon
Total Time: 5 yrs

I don't get it. You are an anachronism. Are you some sort of pallet jockey? Why do you dig old chicks/men? When were the 5 yrs of Navy C-130 Combat Talon time? For our country's sake, lose the Bud Pin. You are ruining the image, Dork.

Seriously, what are you that you have garnered so knowledge on Delta and can advise us on why we are so messed up?

Grinder.
 
On Your Six said:
Most passengers would likely agree with me (I have overheard it every time I have flown Delta in the last 6 months on repositioning flights) that the DAL stews are seriously old and not very service oriented - especially when compared with their counterparts at JetBlue and AirTran (younger and more enthusiastic).

As an AirTran pilot and sometimes DAL jumpseater, I have to say that I have been treated very well by the Delta F/A's.

Some of AirTran's best F/A's are the "senior mama's", some of whom are former Eastern, Pan Am, and/or Midway.

Thanks for your nice comments about our F/A's. The good ones would appreciate hearing it, and the bad ones will be back working at Burger King next week, in my perfect world, at least.
 
grinder said:
DaveGriffin,

Aircraft Experience: Jumped, not flown,
Flight Experience: USN
Ratings: C-130 Combat Talon
Total Time: 5 yrs

I don't get it. You are an anachronism. Are you some sort of pallet jockey? Why do you dig old chicks/men? When were the 5 yrs of Navy C-130 Combat Talon time? For our country's sake, lose the Bud Pin. You are ruining the image, Dork.

Seriously, what are you that you have garnered so knowledge on Delta and can advise us on why we are so messed up?

Grinder.
Man,
A P-3 melon calling you out. That's harsh. He must have at least 4 air medals.
 
It looks to me like it is going to re-paint the crew buses and to re-model the terminals in ATL and JFK.

They are also likely setting some aside for management's bonus after ALPA caves in on concessions.
 
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Where will Delta's cash go too?


A very safe bet will be...

Slap another new paint job on the airplanes....
(I like UALs new scheme.... blue nacelles and a white fuselage...why that
resembles someone elses paint scheme???)

New uniforms.....

Shovel some cash to the bankruptcy lawyers....
 
grinder said:
DaveGriffin,

Aircraft Experience: Jumped, not flown,
Flight Experience: USN
Ratings: C-130 Combat Talon
Total Time: 5 yrs

I don't get it. You are an anachronism. Are you some sort of pallet jockey? Why do you dig old chicks/men? When were the 5 yrs of Navy C-130 Combat Talon time? For our country's sake, lose the Bud Pin. You are ruining the image, Dork.

Seriously, what are you that you have garnered so knowledge on Delta and can advise us on why we are so messed up?

Grinder.
Looks like the rumors about every per diem check cashed causing a 0.10-point drop in IQ is correct. Given an unlucky draw of the cards on his initial starting point, Grinder is surely operating at a sub-100 level by now.

How ‘bout P-3 weenies staying out of discussions unless you have something meaningful to add other than brown nosing the ex-Navy senior pilots at Delta. It won't help you get hired. Just because you think you would like to bust *ss for years to line the pockets of the top third doesn't mean everyone else likes it.
 
Top ten list for sure!

DaveGriffin said:
Here's an even better swap for you OY6.



How about taking the bald, pot-bellied, grumpy 60 year-old pilots with erectile dysfunction problems and hemorrhoids and replacing them with a 36 year-old pilot in perfect health, great hand-eye coordination and pilot skills, and who is enthusiastically customer focused. The old fart pilots cost the company way more than the old bag FA's.



This is the BEST situation for everyone at Delta.
Of all the moronic things I have ever read, this one takes the cake.
How about this one Dave. When your daughter turns 10, just sell her off, and have your wife get pregnant, after all, she's gonna start costing you a lot of money now, she might need braces, go to school, start driving, interest in school sports..... and it goes on and on.
You have got to be one of the most truly idiotic people on this board, GROW up.
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