Where will you bid. SLC or ATL?

[73belair]

Just put your prefrence down.. I don't know how to make a poll or I'd have done that. If someone does, feel free.

 

[Swaayze]

Wherever I'd be more senior while I search for another job. Prob'ly SLC, no wait....I told myself I should do the Costanza "opposite" plan from now on, make that ATL.

Couldn't really frickin' care less which I go to at this point. And don't worry I'm very junior so I don't have much say anyhow.

 

[On Your Six]

Wherever I'd be more senior while I search for another job. Prob'ly SLC, no wait....I told myself I should do the Costanza "opposite" plan from now on, make that ATL.

Couldn't really frickin' care less which I go to at this point. And don't worry I'm very junior so I don't have much say anyhow.

LOL! Great Seinfeld episode. Good luck - SLC actually isn't that bad of a place.

 

[USCtrojan]

Just put your prefrence down.. I don't know how to make a poll or I'd have done that. If someone does, feel free.

SLC baby!! I can't wait, as it puts me much closer to Southern California than Atlanta!! Plus, it looks like skiing could become rather regular in winter!!

 

[FL000]

I am in ATL now, but will give serious consideration to SLC if it goes moderately to very junior. The lastest prelims says there are 60 slots on each seat, and no one had bid it as of the 8th. But then again, I wouldn't have expected anyone to have his bid in on day one.

 

[73belair]

Talked to the cheifs at DFW and as of now SLC is going senior. They are keeping a running poll on one of the doors I guess so you can see the way things are going.

 

[sweptback]

I saw the list too today and there are a lot more people on it than I anticipated would go to SLC. It may not go junior afterall, which is fine because I didn't want to go there.

Nobody probably knows this, but how will the lines look in ATL? Should a junior DFW guy expect to be on reserve a long, long time on the 50?

 

[ProLine4]

Talked to the cheifs at DFW and as of now SLC is going senior. They are keeping a running poll on one of the doors I guess so you can see the way things are going.

As of the 1630 printing last night there were 37 FOs and about 40-50 CAs that have bid SLC. The CA list is surprisingly senior.
The ATL list is much shorter...some of those bids may in fact be people that forgot they listed ATL as a choice behind DFW on their current bid sheets. If that's the case, the company will NOT pay for your move because it would be a standard vacancy opening, not a displacement opening.
SLC guys are sitting fine with any interpretation of the contract, because its a new domicile open less than 6 months...their moves are covered.

 

[regionalcap]

As of the 1630 printing last night there were 37 FOs and about 40-50 CAs that have bid SLC. The CA list is surprisingly senior.
The ATL list is much shorter...some of those bids may in fact be people that forgot they listed ATL as a choice behind DFW on their current bid sheets. If that's the case, the company will NOT pay for your move because it would be a standard vacancy opening, not a displacement opening.
SLC guys are sitting fine with any interpretation of the contract, because its a new domicile open less than 6 months...their moves are covered.

Just to clarify, if Dfw is your first choice and ATL is your second choice then they will pay for your move.

 

[airksk]

When you say senior, what sort of number range are you talking for SLC? Most here in ATL are sort of biding their time trying to figure what everyone else is doing.

 

[73belair]

Capts are going very senior. FOs its mixed. I think about 2/3s of the list (capts)was 600 or below. I don't remember the exact #s but something like that.

 

[CF34-3B1]

When you say senior, what sort of number range are you talking for SLC? Most here in ATL are sort of biding their time trying to figure what everyone else is doing.

Drew posted on another thread that it was looking like somewhere around 540 would be junior most SLC Capt.

 

[73belair]

Drew posted on another thread that it was looking like somewhere around 540 would be junior most SLC Capt.

I saw the list today and the most junior capt was a much hire # than that.

 

[airksk]

Capts are going very senior. FOs its mixed. I think about 2/3s of the list (capts)was 600 or below. I don't remember the exact #s but something like that.

Heh. It's sort of funny to be considered very senior. It just doesn't seem like I am.

 

[CF34-3B1]

I saw the list today and the most junior capt was a much hire # than that.

I haven't been in to Ops in a few days.

Could you give us an idea what the #s are looking like.

When you say much higher, do you mean much higher seniority or much higher number (more junior)? As in junior guy is say, 400 or he's 800?

 

[701EV]

SLC here I come!

701EV

 

[USCtrojan]

SLC here I come!

701EV

See ya there!! =)

 

[Klamath]

Thoughts on SLC

Anyone putting any thought into the following when bidding SLC?

ASA is planning on placing just 19 (?) CRJ-700's in SLC. In 2005, ASA is taking delivery of 23 (?) CRJ-200's. All things being equal, that would imply that the only movement upwards in 2005 will take place in ATL. If you go to SLC, looks like you'll never upgrade to Capt unless you go back to ATL. Now, if they decide to add 50 seaters to SLC down the road, then my theory falls apart.

I have no crystal-ball. I'm in the same boat as many, I just don't know what to do?

Cheers,
K

 

[USCtrojan]

Anyone putting any thought into the following when bidding SLC?

ASA is planning on placing just 19 (?) CRJ-700's in SLC. In 2005, ASA is taking delivery of 23 (?) CRJ-200's. All things being equal, that would imply that the only movement upwards in 2005 will take place in ATL. If you go to SLC, looks like you'll never upgrade to Capt unless you go back to ATL. Now, if they decide to add 50 seaters to SLC down the road, then my theory falls apart.

I have no crystal-ball. I'm in the same boat as many, I just don't know what to do?

Cheers,
K

Klamath,

Good point. It's a tough decision, all things considered. When I got hired, I was originally Dallas based. I loved it, and did not want to move. I was told the Jet would never see Dallas.....So I moved to Hotlanta. I don't know what's gonna happen, but you just have to make a good decision for yourself based on the info you have. I hope it works out well for you.

 

[Ailerongirl]

I just wanted to let you know that you guys have my compassion and best wishes whilst you decide what the heck you need to do. It still doesn't seem real, (and I don't think that it will ever feel right), that there is no longer going to be a DFW base. There was always something special about DFW, and everyone based there. I hope that SLC turns out to be a fun place to live and work, and for those of you staying put in the metroplex and commuting to either SLC or ATL, my thoughts will be with you.


*hug*

 

[Headfake14]

Anyone putting any thought into the following when bidding SLC?

ASA is planning on placing just 19 (?) CRJ-700's in SLC. In 2005, ASA is taking delivery of 23 (?) CRJ-200's. All things being equal, that would imply that the only movement upwards in 2005 will take place in ATL. If you go to SLC, looks like you'll never upgrade to Capt unless you go back to ATL. Now, if they decide to add 50 seaters to SLC down the road, then my theory falls apart.

I have no crystal-ball. I'm in the same boat as many, I just don't know what to do?

Cheers,
K

I'm sure once SLC is estabolished, we'll have more flying out there eventually...whether it be 200s or 700s, I'm sure it'll expand.

 

[rjcap]

I'm sure once SLC is estabolished, we'll have more flying out there eventually...whether it be 200s or 700s, I'm sure it'll expand.

Once SLC is established and in operation for more than 6 months, the company will not have to pay for pilot relocation costs. You may see a further SLC expansion later in the summer of 2005, most likely a 50 seat base in addition to the 70's .

 

[tangodelta21]

outside looking in...

When will this first bid shake out and tell exactly whats going on? I'm in the DFW area on the outside looking in on this "de-hubbing" and would like to get on with ASA and move from DFW to SLC. My Fiance' is a SLC based mainline Delta F/A on vol-leave and she loves it up there and would love to get back to PC and her friends. Living in ATL dosent sound that great to me but it still sounds better than what Eagle has to offer here in DFW or anywhere for that matter. Any ATL based ASA guys live down in Fl. and commute up easily year round?

What would be the chances of a 30y/o new-hire(starting training w/in 90 days)getting SLC? Or will I have to look into the non-union Skywest.

Thanks in advance.TD

 

[sleepy]

Once SLC is established and in operation for more than 6 months, the company will not have to pay for pilot relocation costs. You may see a further SLC expansion later in the summer of 2005, most likely a 50 seat base in addition to the 70's .

Hey RJ Capt, where are you headed now? Will you still hold Capt in SLC? If you like the mountains, perhaps you can get a place near Ogdon instead of CO.

 

[ifly4food]

Let's think about this...

Hey, guys bidding SLC:

I have a feeling that this isn't going to be a permanent base. Look at the details:

1. No ops, rent space from SKW.
2. No ramp workers, contract from SKW.
3. Skip said last week in DFW OPS04 that SKW would have gotten the flying if not for Delta scope. Translation: as soon as scope is relaxed, SKW will take this flying with their 70 seaters that they are currently flying for 50 our seat rates.

It seems to me like ASA is being set up as a temporary, easily moveable resourse in SLC. Anyone that doesn't think the company (Delta) would spend that kind of cash to establish a base and then close it in a year, just look at DFW 1.5 years ago.

I would NOT buy a house in SLC just yet.

 

[sweptback]

I have a feeling that this isn't going to be a permanent base. Look at the details:

...

I would NOT buy a house in SLC just yet.

I COMPLETELY agree. Especially since we have no protection in our contract for the length of time a new base can be open before they try to close it or anything like that. It seems like the senior CAs want to go there to fly the CR7, and that's great, but as much as I don't like Atlanta you have to admit that it will never close.

 

[701EV]

ifly4food,

You could be right, but lets look at the other side.

Once SLC is established and in operation for more than 6 months, the company will not have to pay for pilot relocation costs. You may see a further SLC expansion later in the summer of 2005, most likely a 50 seat base in addition to the 70's .

We all know how cheap this company is. Mark Fischer VP of Flight Control Planning and Scheduling stated, "we may not staff all 19 airplanes out of SLC, we may staff some out of ATL through SLC, because we have to get the airplanes back to MCN and BTR". Some of the cross over cities could be AUS, DSM,ICT,OMA,and SAT. Right now ASA and Skywest touch all of the cities from ATL and SLC with the CR2s and the CR7s. We are getting 25 airplane next year and I don't know how many are coming from DFW. I would not be suprised if in August 05 we see more expansion in SLC and now they don't have to pay for the move.

When I moved to ATL from FLA in 98 it cost $3800.00. Allied moved us and that was for a family of 6 and about 300 miles. Luckily for us my wifes job paid for the move. (thanks Piednomt Hospital) Now move lets say 60 pilots, 120 flight attendants,and maybe 20 mechanics at about $10,000.00 per emlpoyee that comes to $2,000,000.00. I know these numbers are all approximate, but its going to cost them money. That is one reason Comair spent a million dollars a year on hotels in ATL, because it was cheaper to pay for hotels then start a base. Now in 2005 when those 25 CRJs come in who knows maybe SLC.

Just a thought,

701EV