where to take ATP written in Chicago area

[minitour]

I dont know about military regs, but as far the FAA is concerned, its in the regs, clear as day, that you need to land 50nm away.

Thought so.

You're referring to the part that says something to the effect of, "to use cross country time for a certificate or rating it has to be at least a 50nm straight line distance..." thing?

Kinda scares me that I actually know of someone that GOT their ATP by logging cross country time without landing 50nm away.

He also happens to be the biggest @sshole examiner in the country too. Not really any way to prove it though, is there? Other than him actually being proud of it and telling people to log it as ATP time.

Go figure...I guess some people will do anything .

-mini

 

[IP076]

The regs say you need 500 hrs of "Cross Country" flight time for an ATP. Here is the part 61 definition of Cross Country:



(3) Cross-country time means—

(i) Except as provided in paragraphs (b)(3)(ii) through (b)(3)(vi) of this section, time acquired during flight—

(A) Conducted by a person who holds a pilot certificate;

(B) Conducted in an aircraft;

(C) That includes a landing at a point other than the point of departure; and

(D) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point.

(ii) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements (except for a rotorcraft category rating), for a private pilot certificate (except for a powered parachute category rating), a commercial pilot certificate, or an instrument rating, or for the purpose of exercising recreational pilot privileges (except in a rotorcraft) under §61.101 (c), time acquired during a flight—

(A) Conducted in an appropriate aircraft;

(B) That includes a point of landing that was at least a straight-line distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and

(C) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point.

(iii) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements for a sport pilot certificate (except for powered parachute privileges), time acquired during a flight conducted in an appropriate aircraft that—

(A) Includes a point of landing at least a straight line distance of more than 25 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and

(B) Involves, as applicable, the use of dead reckoning; pilotage; electronic navigation aids; radio aids; or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point.

(iv) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements for a sport pilot certificate with powered parachute privileges or a private pilot certificate with a powered parachute category rating, time acquired during a flight conducted in an appropriate aircraft that—

(A) Includes a point of landing at least a straight line distance of more than 15 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and

(B) Involves, as applicable, the use of dead reckoning; pilotage; electronic navigation aids; radio aids; or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point.

(v) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements for any pilot certificate with a rotorcraft category rating or an instrument-helicopter rating, or for the purpose of exercising recreational pilot privileges, in a rotorcraft, under §61.101(c), time acquired during a flight—

(A) Conducted in an appropriate aircraft;

(B) That includes a point of landing that was at least a straight-line distance of more than 25 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and

(C) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point.

(vi) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements for an airline transport pilot certificate (except with a rotorcraft category rating), time acquired during a flight—

(A) Conducted in an appropriate aircraft;

(B) That is at least a straight-line distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and

(C) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems.

(vii) For a military pilot who qualifies for a commercial pilot certificate (except with a rotorcraft category rating) under §61.73 of this part, time acquired during a flight—

(A) Conducted in an appropriate aircraft;

(B) That is at least a straight-line distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and

(C) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems.


Note the difference in the bolded section. The ATP Reference does not include "Land". I've heard they did this for a lot of military folk who don't neccessarily land somewhere 50 miles away all the time. (Note the similarity between the ATP definition and the Military Pilot going for a Commercial Definition.


There it is, actually a fairly black and white section as far as the regulations are concerned. I'd say that is actually clear as day that you do not have to land.

 

[Mtnjam]

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[minitour]

The regs say you need 500 hrs of "Cross Country" flight time for an ATP. Here is the part 61 definition of Cross Country:
...
(vi) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements for an airline transport pilot certificate (except with a rotorcraft category rating), time acquired during a flight—

(A) Conducted in an appropriate aircraft;

(B) That is at least a straight-line distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and

(C) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems.
...
Note the difference in the bolded section. The ATP Reference does not include "Land". I've heard they did this for a lot of military folk who don't neccessarily land somewhere 50 miles away all the time. (Note the similarity between the ATP definition and the Military Pilot going for a Commercial Definition.


There it is, actually a fairly black and white section as far as the regulations are concerned. I'd say that is actually clear as day that you do not have to land.

Ah HAH!

So...how do you log that? Add another column? How specific do you have to be? If you land at an airport 46 miles away, but get vectored to a 4 mile final...does that count?

Any logbook nazis out there know how to log it?

-mini

 

[IP076]

How you log it is up to you, If I had to do it over again, I'd go ahead and log it as cross country, and keep a seperate column as "Cross Country - Private/Commercial".

And yeah, technically if you got vectored 5 miles past that 46 mile airport, you could count it. Know people who have. Airport about 49 miles from here with an ILS, go past the airport to shoot the ILS, Insturctors log it as XC time, after all, sometime its hard to get to that 500 XC as an Instructor!