where to take ATP written in Chicago area

[Peace]

hi guys

I wanted to ask I want to take my atp written, my old ATP written expired now its been 2 years. I wanted to know where is a place in Chicago where i can take the ATP written exam, and help would be appreciated.

 

[staledog]

they give written tests at shaumburg airport (06C). of course i know they give those tests other places too. but if you are close to 06C, there ya go.

 

[Illini Pilot]

i know pilotmakers @ DPA is a CATS or Lasergrade place... go to both those place's websites and im sure there is a way to search by location. im sure around chicago there is a testing facility at almost every airport.

 

[mayday1]

Palwaukee also has a testing facility - Airway Flight Services.

 

[LewisU_Pilot]

Aurora (ARR) as well.. Lumanair is the name of the place.

 

[MED]

Aurora (ARR) as well.. Lumanair is the name of the place.

Phone (630) 466-4866

 

[NewBlue]

How did you take the ATP written with only 500 hours?

 

[Vik]

What are the requirements to take the ATP written?

 

[minitour]

What are the requirements to take the ATP written?

Study.

And a photo ID with signature, permanent address, and date of birth.

I don't think you need an endorsement for the ATP written. Anyone?

As soon as I knock out the FOI/FIA, I'm going after the ATP. Might as well "get 'er done". I do hope to wait until I have at least 400 hours before I do the written though....just in case...but when I'm ready, I'm taking it. Then all I have to do is catch on with a 121 or 135 operation within 24 months and stay there until I take the ride...

Something tells me that (depending on where I end up doing the CFI thing) I'll end up getting the 1500 hours within 2 years...the part I'm worried about is the cross country time.

I've heard tell that you don't actually have to land 50nm away for it to count as ATP xc (something about helping military guys out), if this is true, how do you log it?

-mini

 

[Vik]

I dont know about military regs, but as far the FAA is concerned, its in the regs, clear as day, that you need to land 50nm away.

Study.

And a photo ID with signature, permanent address, and date of birth.

I don't think you need an endorsement for the ATP written. Anyone?

As soon as I knock out the FOI/FIA, I'm going after the ATP. Might as well "get 'er done". I do hope to wait until I have at least 400 hours before I do the written though....just in case...but when I'm ready, I'm taking it. Then all I have to do is catch on with a 121 or 135 operation within 24 months and stay there until I take the ride...

Something tells me that (depending on where I end up doing the CFI thing) I'll end up getting the 1500 hours within 2 years...the part I'm worried about is the cross country time.

I've heard tell that you don't actually have to land 50nm away for it to count as ATP xc (something about helping military guys out), if this is true, how do you log it?

-mini

 

[minitour]

I dont know about military regs, but as far the FAA is concerned, its in the regs, clear as day, that you need to land 50nm away.

Thought so.

You're referring to the part that says something to the effect of, "to use cross country time for a certificate or rating it has to be at least a 50nm straight line distance..." thing?

Kinda scares me that I actually know of someone that GOT their ATP by logging cross country time without landing 50nm away.

He also happens to be the biggest @sshole examiner in the country too. Not really any way to prove it though, is there? Other than him actually being proud of it and telling people to log it as ATP time.

Go figure...I guess some people will do anything .

-mini

 

[IP076]

The regs say you need 500 hrs of "Cross Country" flight time for an ATP. Here is the part 61 definition of Cross Country:



(3) Cross-country time means—

(i) Except as provided in paragraphs (b)(3)(ii) through (b)(3)(vi) of this section, time acquired during flight—

(A) Conducted by a person who holds a pilot certificate;

(B) Conducted in an aircraft;

(C) That includes a landing at a point other than the point of departure; and

(D) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point.

(ii) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements (except for a rotorcraft category rating), for a private pilot certificate (except for a powered parachute category rating), a commercial pilot certificate, or an instrument rating, or for the purpose of exercising recreational pilot privileges (except in a rotorcraft) under §61.101 (c), time acquired during a flight—

(A) Conducted in an appropriate aircraft;

(B) That includes a point of landing that was at least a straight-line distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and

(C) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point.

(iii) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements for a sport pilot certificate (except for powered parachute privileges), time acquired during a flight conducted in an appropriate aircraft that—

(A) Includes a point of landing at least a straight line distance of more than 25 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and

(B) Involves, as applicable, the use of dead reckoning; pilotage; electronic navigation aids; radio aids; or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point.

(iv) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements for a sport pilot certificate with powered parachute privileges or a private pilot certificate with a powered parachute category rating, time acquired during a flight conducted in an appropriate aircraft that—

(A) Includes a point of landing at least a straight line distance of more than 15 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and

(B) Involves, as applicable, the use of dead reckoning; pilotage; electronic navigation aids; radio aids; or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point.

(v) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements for any pilot certificate with a rotorcraft category rating or an instrument-helicopter rating, or for the purpose of exercising recreational pilot privileges, in a rotorcraft, under §61.101(c), time acquired during a flight—

(A) Conducted in an appropriate aircraft;

(B) That includes a point of landing that was at least a straight-line distance of more than 25 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and

(C) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point.

(vi) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements for an airline transport pilot certificate (except with a rotorcraft category rating), time acquired during a flight—

(A) Conducted in an appropriate aircraft;

(B) That is at least a straight-line distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and

(C) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems.

(vii) For a military pilot who qualifies for a commercial pilot certificate (except with a rotorcraft category rating) under §61.73 of this part, time acquired during a flight—

(A) Conducted in an appropriate aircraft;

(B) That is at least a straight-line distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and

(C) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems.


Note the difference in the bolded section. The ATP Reference does not include "Land". I've heard they did this for a lot of military folk who don't neccessarily land somewhere 50 miles away all the time. (Note the similarity between the ATP definition and the Military Pilot going for a Commercial Definition.


There it is, actually a fairly black and white section as far as the regulations are concerned. I'd say that is actually clear as day that you do not have to land.

 

[Mtnjam]

Api

API flight school at Midway Airport does CATS testing. 773-284-5678. Bill Schrieber is the owner. Real nice guy, used to work for him as a CFI

 

[minitour]

The regs say you need 500 hrs of "Cross Country" flight time for an ATP. Here is the part 61 definition of Cross Country:
...
(vi) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements for an airline transport pilot certificate (except with a rotorcraft category rating), time acquired during a flight—

(A) Conducted in an appropriate aircraft;

(B) That is at least a straight-line distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and

(C) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems.
...
Note the difference in the bolded section. The ATP Reference does not include "Land". I've heard they did this for a lot of military folk who don't neccessarily land somewhere 50 miles away all the time. (Note the similarity between the ATP definition and the Military Pilot going for a Commercial Definition.


There it is, actually a fairly black and white section as far as the regulations are concerned. I'd say that is actually clear as day that you do not have to land.

Ah HAH!

So...how do you log that? Add another column? How specific do you have to be? If you land at an airport 46 miles away, but get vectored to a 4 mile final...does that count?

Any logbook nazis out there know how to log it?

-mini

 

[IP076]

How you log it is up to you, If I had to do it over again, I'd go ahead and log it as cross country, and keep a seperate column as "Cross Country - Private/Commercial".

And yeah, technically if you got vectored 5 miles past that 46 mile airport, you could count it. Know people who have. Airport about 49 miles from here with an ILS, go past the airport to shoot the ILS, Insturctors log it as XC time, after all, sometime its hard to get to that 500 XC as an Instructor!