Where to go into in the Boston Area

[7KCAB]

My passengers have business in downtown Boston - looks like KBED, KOWD, and KBVY are all roughly about the same distance out on a map. Looking for input from folks who fly there regularly (we haven't been there in many years) - traffic/road issues, expenses, etc. Coming from the southeast in a Citation I.

I figure that they stick it to you at Logan ($6.76/gal for one thing), but are the useage/landing fees as prohibitivelly high as I imagine they are also? Anyone use Logan on a regular basis? You cetainly can't beat it's location.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Fokkerflyer]

We've used both BED and BOS, but one cant beat BOS for its proximity to the city. Sure they charge you both arms and both legs at Signature but hey, they do that everywhere. Getting in and out of BOS always relatively easy ATC wise (except in bad weather), BED could always be the backup plan. Remember, pax convenience is our job

 

[Seadogrun]

We use Jet aviation at BED, but have used BOS in the past. Travel from BED is about 20 minutes to Downtown.

Fokkerflyer is right about Signature BOS. Be prepared to leave both arms and legs behind.

 

[Bjetset2]

Kbos

The fees amount to over $800 on a DA2000EX inclusive of government landing and parking fees. It is still cheaper to tanker fuel and pay the Signature fees considering the high fuel price.

Having said that I agree that in our world time IS money. We choose to suck it up and the passengers agree.

Signature is a joke. At KMMU the other night we paid $525 for basically a ride to dinner, a nasty attitude behind the desk, and two line guys playing on the internet and sleeping in the pilot's lounge as I pulled the chocks, moved the cone and taxied out with no marshalling. We didn't buy fuel so I understand the handling charge and will pay it no problem. JUST DO YOUR JOB SIGNATURE!!!

By the way Boston Tower, Tracon and Center controllers are awesome!!! New York Center should take some lessons!

 

[Beechjetr]

LWM (Lawrence, MA) is also in the running with BED, OWD, and BVY. LWM has great service and cheap fuel at Eagle East Aviation.

 

[Galaxy]

Remember, pax convenience is our job

I have to agree with Fokkerflyer here.. I always choose the quickest and easiest transportation for the passengers. A trip from BED could be 20 mins or it could be 2 hours. If money really was an issue they would be flying into BOS on an airline instead of the Corp Jet. High fees and extortion fuel prices are cheap when you get the phone call from the Boss all pissed off because they left downtown during rush hour and sit in the back of a sedan for hours.
Besides... it is not like you are really paying that bill anyway.. right???

 

[lazyace75]

Besides... it is not like you are really paying that bill anyway.. right???

Uh, yeah...right.

That's why flight departments eventually shutdown, attitudes like this.

You should still have a good, efficient, common sense attitude when it comes to finding cheaper ways to operate the airplane(s). Not to just flop down your credit card to pay for retail fuel when contract fuel is $1.50/gal cheaper.

Your "current position" says it all about your attitude.....

 

[Galaxy]

Nice... Always a hater in the group....

The current position was actually from my former position...

There are plenty of other ways to save money within a flight department than to inconvienence your owner by landing at the cheap but inconvienient location. If you frequent any area I have easily negotiated cheaper fuel rates than any contract card. And yes we do have all the contract cards..

If a flight department is going to shut down because of under $1000 in fees and increased fuel rates...hate to tell ya but that job isn't going to last long anyway..and the plane is likely pictured in this months "Controller".
I just signed for a bill to replace 1 tire that was $1000. It takes money to make money...
If they only use the plane for pleasure then and only then would I worry. We are 99% business trips only.

Besides the comment was more directed if I were to be flying my own plane into the area-then yea I would choose the cheapest fuel and fee airport in beantown. But I am not and the Boss's time is better spent elsewhere than sitting in the back of a sedan.

 

[lazyace75]

Nice... Always a hater in the group....

The current position was actually from my former position...

There are plenty of other ways to save money within a flight department than to inconvienence your owner by landing at the cheap but inconvienient location. If you frequent any area I have easily negotiated cheaper fuel rates than any contract card. And yes we do have all the contract cards..

If a flight department is going to shut down because of under $1000 in fees and increased fuel rates...hate to tell ya but that job isn't going to last long anyway..and the plane is likely pictured in this months "Controller".
I just signed for a bill to replace 1 tire that was $1000. It takes money to make money...
If they only use the plane for pleasure then and only then would I worry. We are 99% business trips only.

Besides the comment was more directed if I were to be flying my own plane into the area-then yea I would choose the cheapest fuel and fee airport in beantown. But I am not and the Boss's time is better spent elsewhere than sitting in the back of a sedan.

Ok, well said. I'm not a hater at all but I've seen way too many of these "attitudes" and then they're wondering a year later why the flight dept shutdown.

I haven't had that happen yet, luckily. I'm at a two-aircraft Fortune 500 operation now and still operate in an efficient manner. I'm a believer in not just throwing money around because my company can afford to. We don't deviate to a different airport just to save a few cents on fuel, but we do look into contract fuel options where we go.

By the way, both airplanes are flown for business purposes only.

We track OUR fuel prices vs. retail prices and so far this year we've saved over $90K!

Sorry to highjack the thread....BOS Signature sucks, as do most other Signatures.

 

[TransMach]

Ok, well said. I'm not a hater at all but I've seen way too many of these "attitudes" and then they're wondering a year later why the flight dept shutdown.

I haven't had that happen yet, luckily. I'm at a two-aircraft Fortune 500 operation now and still operate in an efficient manner. I'm a believer in not just throwing money around because my company can afford to. We don't deviate to a different airport just to save a few cents on fuel, but we do look into contract fuel options where we go.

By the way, both airplanes are flown for business purposes only.

We track OUR fuel prices vs. retail prices and so far this year we've saved over $90K!

Sorry to highjack the thread....BOS Signature sucks, as do most other Signatures.

Wrong, a bit, "most other Signatures" ... should read "ALL OTHER SIGNATURE STATIONS EXCEPT AUSTIN, BUT THEY SOLD THAT!"

TransMach