Where to go for an ATP

[One Wing Low]

Very straight forward question, with the upgrade seeming to be forever off in the distance I am seriously thinking of getting my ATP on my own. Have well over 4500 hours, most with most of it jet time in the right seat. Just want recommendations for a quick ATP course.
Thanks

 

[propilot]

Allatps

 

[Flyer1015]

Very straight forward question, with the upgrade seeming to be forever off in the distance I am seriously thinking of getting my ATP on my own. Have well over 4500 hours, most with most of it jet time in the right seat. Just want recommendations for a quick ATP course.
Thanks

Exact same boat! Don't do ATPs, do Accessible Aviation. I've thoroughly researched, and they have great reviews. Ex-military pilots (instructors) who specialize pretty much on military and RJ guys who want the ATP. The cost is comparable to ATPs, but at Accessible, the cost also includes lodging and examiner fees (that fee alone is another $400-600). So both of those are included at Accessible. I'm going to Accessible soon, just getting the ATP written out of the way first since the original has expired.



**** Oh, and another great thing about Accessible. They are the only school that I know that offer this. Since they train mostly military and regional jet pilots to get the ATP, they are so sure you will pass the first time, that if for some reason you don't, the retraining (1-1.5 hrs in the plane) and the re-check (examiner fee) is on them, for free. As opposed to ATPs, which will charge you extra for the plane AND pay the examiner fee again.

www.accessibleaviation.com

Options:

ATP FO Course: Those who are very proficient and current in light twins. You arrive, basically 1 (maybe 2) flights, and checkride. $2100.

ATP Short Course: Review and 2 flights on day 1, another flight on day 2, and checkride. $2495.

ATP Long Course: Those who aren't instrument proficient or just haven't touched a twin in a long time. 6-8 hours of flight training, then checkride.

Fees above include lodging and examiner fees, so when you compare to other flight schools, this could easily add to save $800-$1000+.

 

[sigler]

I've been looking at some schools in the Orlando area, I want to get my ATP as well. It looks like Air Orlando has a pretty good reputation in the area, plus they use a Diamond DA-42 which has a glass panel and some sort of FADEC, so there's only one lever per engine... I found that pretty appealing since I haven't flown a light twin in almost 10 years. Their price is a little higher than All ATPs and other similar schools, but I figured busting a check ride would cost far more than the extra 60 or 70 an hour I'd be forking over to fly the nicer, easier airplane. Plus, I think Orlando has some of the cheapest hotels in the country, not to mention the almost certainty of good flying weather.

 

[Flyby1206]

John Trask, Presque Isle, ME (PQI)

Use the search function on this site for more info on him, you can thank me later

 

[flyingfool]

http://www.atpflightschool.com/programs/certificates/atp/atp_and_written.html

 

[Snaab]

John Trask, Presque Isle, ME (PQI)

Use the search function on this site for more info on him, you can thank me later

I flew with an FO about a year or so ago who was going to use him.

 

[Flyer1015]

John Trask, Presque Isle, ME (PQI)

Use the search function on this site for more info on him, you can thank me later

I searched here, didn't find much. He's an examiner from a google search, but does he offer a course of some kind for the ATP? Do you have any website links? I can't find any.

 

[BHopper88]

He is really good, have had 2 friends use him. Plus instructed with his daughter here in Orlando, he is very airline pilot friendly.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Prairie Air Service (Benton, KS)

Herb at PAS will get your ATP done right and tailor it to your needs.



http://www.prairieairservice.com/

Prairie Air Service, Inc. is a small, family owned flight school located in the Wichita, Kansas area. Our specialty is affordable and high quality multi engine, ATP and multi engine instrument instruction. We also offer single engine flight training from private pilot through flight instructor. All multi engine instruction is given by Herb Pello, the school’s owner. Herb is an engineer, A&P mechanic, has been an instructor for 25 years and has over 18,000 hours of instructing experience.​

ATP TRAINING

Airline Transport Pilot (with knowledge exam passed): $1495.00
8.0 hours PA23-160 Apache dual, 2 to 3 days, includes oral exam prep and airplane for flight test. Examiner's fee additional.

The ATP training program described below has worked well for over 90% of our customers who are current and active pilots. This program is not guaranteed; it is based on average aptitude and a large amount of self study. If you should require additional instruction, that training time will be charged at the applicable hourly rates. If you are able to complete your training ahead of schedule, your cost will be reduced accordingly.

The flight time required for the ATP varies widely depending on the applicant's IFR competency. Completing the course in 8.0 hours requires that the applicant would be able to pass a thorough IFR competency check or military equivalent prior to beginning the ATP training. If you are a current instrument instructor, current to IFR in multi engine airplanes under FAR 135, or are an active US military pilot in multi engine airplanes you should be able to complete the training in 8.0 hours.

If you meet just the bare currency requirements of 6 approaches within the last 6 months you will require additional training. If you are rusty on instrument procedures and uncomfortable in the American IFR system it may take quite a bit more time. If you are a current US military aviator not familiar with civilian general aviation procedures you should allow 3 days so you have time to watch some helpful tapes in our video library. If you are a foreign pilot without prior experience in the American ATC system you should plan on about 10 to 12 hours of flight training. American ATC does not follow ICAO phraseology and controllers frequently speak extremely fast. If you feel that some additional training may be necessary, please allow additional time and let us know when you schedule your training.

Any flight training in excess of the 8.0 hours included in the basic package will be billed at $155.00 per hour.

ATP Flight Test: It will consist of a twin engine ILS to a missed approach, an engine out ILS to a landing, two non precision approaches (VOR, VOR-DME, NDB or LOC-BC), either twin engine or engine out (one of them a circle to land). The approaches may be radar vectored or own navigation (full procedure), and familiarity with procedure turns is required. Also required are holding patterns (possibly in strong wind conditions), area departure and area arrival (possibly a DME arc), as well as engine out procedures, steep turns and imminent stalls solely by instrument reference. An actual engine shut down and restart (in visual conditions) is also required.

Important Note: Please be sure that you bring all of your logbooks or flight records. You will have to prove your total flight experience, as well as PIC time, cross country and instrument time to the pilot examiner before you are permitted to take the ATP flight test. If you bring only your most recent logbook, it may not show the required total flight experience.

 

[ubpilot]

Very straight forward question, with the upgrade seeming to be forever off in the distance I am seriously thinking of getting my ATP on my own. Have well over 4500 hours, most with most of it jet time in the right seat. Just want recommendations for a quick ATP course.
Thanks

I went to "All ATP" at RDU about five years ago. It was a two day program, around $2,400 (I think it might cost more right now). One year later, I went to Compass, and they do give away free ATP.

 

[shamrock]

John Trask, Presque Isle, ME (PQI)

Use the search function on this site for more info on him, you can thank me later

Any reason to go to PQI is a good one!

I really miss the fire-breathing cart they used to heat the plane in the morning that would just about turn plastic Jepp protectors to goo...

 

[N813CA]

100% Don't bother looking anywhere else. He is THE BEST............

John Trask, Presque Isle, ME (PQI)

Use the search function on this site for more info on him, you can thank me later

 

[PA44Jockey]

I know many people who have used John Trask. If you have the means to jumpseat up to Presque Isle, ME I would do it. Quickest program you will find and hear he is a very pilot friendly examiner who likes to share stories about aviation.

His price is somewhere around 2100.00 the last I checked.

I ended up at ALL ATPs in Bowling Green, KY. A little more expensive, but another GREAT group of people with an even better DE. Very practical, no-nonsense kind of guy named Dave. He sees the big picture and he could care less about fancy checklists. He just wants to see common sense and decent airman-ship. Believe it or not, I actually had a good time obtaining the rating. It was the first time back in a light civil for me in 8 years and I loved every minute of it.

 

[sigler]

I know many people who have used John Trask. If you have the means to jumpseat up to Presque Isle, ME I would do it. Quickest program you will find and hear he is a very pilot friendly examiner who likes to share stories about aviation.

His price is somewhere around 2100.00 the last I checked.

I ended up at ALL ATPs in Bowling Green, KY. A little more expensive, but another GREAT group of people with an even better DE. Very practical, no-nonsense kind of guy named Dave. He sees the big picture and he could care less about fancy checklists. He just wants to see common sense and decent airman-ship. Believe it or not, I actually had a good time obtaining the rating. It was the first time back in a light civil for me in 8 years and I loved every minute of it.

Did you do the 2-day or the 10-hour program?

 

[PA44Jockey]

I did the 10 hour program. They would have given it to me, but I hadn't flown in almost 2 years so I figured I needed to brush off the rust. Turns out I was ready to go for the check-ride after about 4 hours. However, in Bowling Green they are all about being productive. I did the 10 hour program with the checkride in 3 days. They normally do 4 days. They also have a Frasca set up for you to use at your leisure for no extra cost.

 

[N813CA]

with John it is a morning class. There is no 2 day or 10 hour....

 

[N813CA]

go SEE JOHN.

 

[N813CA]

send me a PM. GO SEE JOHN.

 

[PA44Jockey]

I am with the others here. If you can jumpseat up to Presque Isle, go see John. I left the airline and no longer had flight benefits to get up there, so with the cost of getting me there it was a cheaper option for me to do it with ALL ATPs.

John will pick you up at the hotel at 7:00am. You go to breakfast (you buy his breakfast) and talk about his time in the Air Force. Small talk about your experience and his war stories. You then go out to the airport and talk about his aircraft for maybe 30 minutes. Then into the aircraft and off you go. 4 approaches and a hold. Back to the airport by about noon and on your way home. You fly his airplane, so don't worry, he won't let you bend it.

A about a week or two before you arrive he will send you all the approaches that you will be doing and the general specs to his aircraft, Vspeeds etc. and the profiles for the operation of it.

very straight forward from what I hear.