Where is a good place to get an ATP?

[navy737]

I am currently looking to do a 2 or 3 day cram course for the written and pratical ATP certification. Where is the "best" place to go? I am in Dallas and was considering ALL ATP locally. Any recommendations....PLEASE?!!!

 

[MED]

i'm going to sheble aviation in vegas next week. 2 day course for $1600 including examiner's fee.

 

[flyer172r]

Prepping for the written is going to take a lot longer than 2 or 3 days. There's a whole lot of stuff to learn (especially Part 121). The Gleim book for it is huge!

 

[MED]

Prepping for the written is going to take a lot longer than 2 or 3 days. There's a whole lot of stuff to learn (especially Part 121). The Gleim book for it is huge!

the course is design for you to just take the written, their expecting you to study prior to that. their not going to study the gleim book with you question per question.

 

[bobbysamd]

Sheble

I went to Sheble for my ATP in 1989 when he was still in Blythe, California. The place does the job. I reported at 4:00 p.m. on Sunday and was gone by noon on Monday with my ATP.

If you go there, be sure that you are very well prepared beforehand and very instrument-current. You will get little training. I had a friend who went to Sheble for his multi (which it did for him in something like four hours flight time!) who gave me his Duchess materials. I flew the Blythe approaches for hours in our ERAU ground trainers for weeks before I went there. The preparation will pay off.

A good argument can be made for looking for an instructor, examiner and airplane/ground trainer on your local airport for your ATP. Moreover, a good argument can be made for getting a single-engine ATP in your favorite simple single. A single-engine ATP is every bit an ATP as one obtained in a multi. Either scheme might save you money.

Good luck with your choice of ATP provider.

 

[Sol Rosenberg]

Prepping for the written is going to take a lot longer than 2 or 3 days. There's a whole lot of stuff to learn (especially Part 121). The Gleim book for it is huge!

Navy737- All the above posts are pretty much right, it is going to take a while to memorize the questions. Remember, you're just memorizing the questions and answers. Don't worry about if you don't understand the material, just memorize it. My personal suggestion is to order the Gleim computer program as opposed to the big red book. You can do this on the Gleim website. They'll email you the link and a password to just download the program to your computer. It's the exact same info as the big red book, but I found that studying on the computer is alot easier, because it presents the info in the exact way the testing center will present it to you. Also, you can score yourself, and go back to practice the "problem" questions over and over again. If you can spend 2 consecutive days and go over the questions about 5-7 times, you should be ready. I would not go to AllATP to do the written, because they're charging you money just to do what you can do at home only for the cost of the computer program. There are several testing centers in the DFW area you can take your written at: (I'm in the DFW area as well.)
Now for your practical rating, I would personally suggest you go to ALLATP at Arlington airport. That's where I went, and I was impressed. It's a 2 day program. They give you a small handbook a week or so before you start training. Memorize this cold. Based on my personal experience and what the instructors and other students at ALLATP say, the examiner will only ask you questions from this handbook on your oral. You will have about 3-5 training flights in the piper seminole (new aircraft btw), and you will also fly in their simulator (Frasca I believe). The hardest part for me was learning how to use the GPS. They will help you. I did my ATP after not having flown for almost 3 years. I was rusty. I went to a local flight school and rented a seminole for about an hour with an instructor just to get back into things. Remember to table fly and know where all the switches are.
This is my personal opinion and I wish you luck. I passed my ATP ride at this place, so it can be done . My examiner was KB Glenn. They also have another examiner that sort of works at this school. His name is Keith something. I've only heard bad things about this guy. I've heard he's pretty much fair, but very unforgiving. One guy who was training along side me failed his checkride only because he forgot a few very small items and tuned in the wrong frequency for an ils, but quickly corrected it. I wasn't there and don't know what really happened, but that is what I was told. Anyway good luck to you.

 

[FlyingToIST]

the course is design for you to just take the written, their expecting you to study prior to that. their not going to study the gleim book with you question per question.

You may want to study grammer first..
"they're" not "their"

 

[navy737]

SOL....thank's for the info.

 

[91100 100 set]

The best place to get an ATP is at the regional airline you work for when you upgrade. It's free. But I guess most places are asking for an ATP these days.

 

[bobbysamd]

Atp

The best place to get an ATP is at the regional airline you work for when you upgrade. It's free. But I guess most places are asking for an ATP these days.

They also did fourteen years ago. That hasn't changed, nor has the need for presenting the best credentials possible to be competitive. We cannot control completely all of our credentials, but we can control our certficates and ratings. So, if getting the ATP on our own nickels lets us check off another box, it's money well spent. It's also tax-deductable.

 

[Ralgha]

Yeah you can memorize the answers for the written, but that's the slacker way to do it. If you actually understand the material, then you don't have to waste time memorizing it. You'll also actually learn something, still do well on the test, and retain it afterwards.

 

[User546]

I had a friend who went to Sheble for his multi (which it did for him in something like four hours flight time!)

Do you mind giving me this friend's name, that way I'll make sure I never share the same cockpit as this guy??

Four hours... nothing says quality training like that!

 

[bobbysamd]

Sheble "quality" training

Do you mind giving me this friend's name, that way I'll make sure I never share the same cockpit as this guy??

Four hours... nothing says quality training like that!

I agree completely. But you have to consider the situation in its overall context.

My friend needed his multi so he could upgrade to MEI at ERAU. It was a means to an end. He acknowledged fully that four hours for multi training was ridiculous. Riddle would train him for his MEI on its nickel, so he figured he would get his "real" ME training at that time.

As it turned out, Mesa picked him up after he built enough multi time. After he built the requisite turbine multi at Mesa, he got on with Airborne. So, in the end, it all worked out for him.

 

[Sol Rosenberg]

Cooperate and Graduate

Yeah you can memorize the answers for the written, but that's the slacker way to do it. If you actually understand the material, then you don't have to waste time memorizing it. You'll also actually learn something, still do well on the test, and retain it afterwards.

I personally don't think rote memorization is the "slacker" way to do this, as the above quote states. You have to keep in mind that in order to pass these written tests, the only thing that is important is choosing the correct answer to the question. Don't waste time trying to go deeper into it than what is required to match the correct answer to the question; there will be time to "learn" this information later.
For example, I have been through several groundschools on several different aircraft with several different types of airlines. When learning a big airplane, depending on the specific airline, they will give you the limitations and you have to memorize them- period. Depending on how the instructor runs the class, he/she will usually tell you not to waste your time trying to figure out what it all means. They just want you to pass the limitations test. All of this usually happens before you even go into systems.
Anyway, when you're taking written tests and preparing for you ATP checkride, your time is precious and you really don't have time to hire an instructor and have him/her "teach" you this material, as Ralgha suggests in the quote above. Good luck.

 

[Ralgha]

Exactly where did I say you need to hire an instructor to teach it?

 

[Sol Rosenberg]

Anyway, when you're taking written tests and preparing for you ATP checkride, your time is precious and you really don't have time to hire an instructor and have him/her "teach" you this material, as Ralgha suggests in the quote above. Good luck.

Exactly where did I say you need to hire an instructor to teach it?

Ralgha, I realize you did not physically type or say that you need to hire an instructor to teach it, that's why I used the word suggests.
Anyway, I'm not looking to argue with you, I'm only offering my advice to Navy737 in what I believe, IMHO, to be the fastest, easiest and cheapest way to knock out the ATP written/practical.

 

[MED]

You may want to study grammer first..
"they're" not "their"

thanks for the spelling/grammar check, dood,
how about this? kak saker

 

[MED]

You may want to study grammer first..
"they're" not "their"

by the way its grammar not grammer, stupid ass

 

[Sol Rosenberg]

thanks for the spelling/grammar check, dood,
how about this? kak saker

hahaha rofl