Where can I find a low hour job

[NoPax]

Haulin' Checks, although not glamorous, requires more time, experience and competance [couldn't resist] than a Regional Airline FO at hiring date. Typically, the check-haulers will have at least twice the experience than an FO at hiring date, and fly single-pilot.

Be patient - 'only fools rush in'. Try to get a job instructing in the 141 environment, and you'll make a good candidate for most regional airlines, just make sure your 141 school has a multi, that you'll be able to instruct in it.

 

[Superpilot92]

Haulin' Checks, although not glamorous, requires more time, experience and competance [couldn't resist] than a Regional Airline FO at hiring date. Typically, the check-haulers will have at least twice the experience than an FO at hiring date, and fly single-pilot.

Be patient - 'only fools rush in'. Try to get a job instructing in the 141 environment, and you'll make a good candidate for most regional airlines, just make sure your 141 school has a multi, that you'll be able to instruct in it.

From the looks of your profile it doesnt look as though you have flown at a regional so how exactly can you determine who has competance and whom doesnt. Dont talk down about a pilot group whom you dont know or are a part of A$$Hole. You dont see anyone on here saying how cargo haulers are any less of pilots. And if i saw someone talking down about cargo flyers i would say the same thing.

 

[NoPax]

Thanks Superpilot.

You're right, 'competant' wasn't a good use of vocabulary, and I haven't flown at a Regional, and haven't wanted to.

My point is this:
Check-hauling, Single-Pilot IFR with minimums to 1800RVR is not a 'low-time' job. I'm not happy that anyone thinks so. Flying an approach to 1800 RVR is tough without an autopilot, co-pilot, in an airplane that has very rudimentary equipment, after 4-6 hours of hand-flying a night; but it has been done and 'builds character'.

Minimums for hire at a typical Regional are 600TT 100ME
Minumums at 135 Cargo are 1200TT, 500XC, 100 Night, 75 Instrument (50 actual) + 100 Multi time - typically

This was my point mr discount airline pilot guy!

 

[starvingcfi]

gotta agree with nopax there. frieght dogs have a much harder job than regional f/o.

i flew 135 charter in the northeast. old, $hitty, broken down planes that needed a paint job. we were basically freight dogs with people in the back, during the day...with an autopilot. ok. so we weren't freight dogs. but we still had to hand-fly all the approaches to mins.

all i'm saying is single pilot 135 in an old 402, in an area known for low ifr (1800rvr, 35 gusting 50 in the winter, etc) is much harder than being a regional f/o in a jet, with a 4000 hr captain to help make decisions, an autopilot to fly the approach to mins, a flight director, etc.

not sure where you came from. you've probably got more time than me. not trying to be cocky. just giving my opinion. hopefully someone agrees.

 

[Superpilot92]

Can i have your Autograph?

It may be different flying an old POS aircraft but that doesnt mean a regional fo sucks as a pilot. Do you have any idea how many people that are regional FOs that were previous 135 cargo flyers. I didnt fly checks or cargo but i have flown aircraft down to mins in light twins with students is there a difference? As a professional pilot i would hope we could all fly down to mins. Yes it does build character I agree. But you need to stop beating your chest because you can fly an ILS in a C402. Congrats your a pilot. You are the type of people that need to fly single pilot because by all means you know you are a better pilot than anyone else. Someone needs to wake up to reality and quit thinking you are better than others. Thats the mentality of people that most people cant stand flying with.

Carry on!!

 

[starvingcfi]

dude. re-read my post. did i say regional f/o's suck? was i beating my chest?

i don't do the single pilot thing anymore. i'm a 135 hawker f/o, upgrading next month...in front of a 37 yr old guy that's been here almost a year longer than me. lol. he went from instructing to regional f/o. that wasn't my point, but it's a funny conincidence.

i didn't say regional f/o's suck. i said single pilot 135 guys have a harder job.

read it again.

 

[starvingcfi]

i'm sorry. i'm not trying to fan the flame here, but i've gotta ask.

2 questions about the times you flew down to mins with students.

#1 - was the weather at mins?

#2 - you were with a student in a twin. were you both flying? were your hands on the controls? were you flying these approaches to mins from the right seat and making your student watch?


like i said man, not trying to fan the flame but i've gotta ask. you're probably a pretty cool guy. not trying to start a fight.

 

[Vladimir Lenin]

super, you need to stfu, you cant hold a handle to even the n00best of freight dogs here in the NE
go milk your dolphin, d1ckcheese

 

[starvingcfi]

ooook. wasn't really what i was going for, but thanks for backing me up there guy.

 

[Diesel]

Hey Starvin i know you are ex Care but where you flying the Hawker out of ASH, PWM?

 

[starvingcfi]

nah. not ex care. flying the hawker in ny. wish i was in pwm. love it up there.

 

[100LL... Again!]

As someone who has done both 121 and 135 freight doggin' (sched) and 135 pax I can tell you that you gotta have confidence in your skills to do the sked freight thing. Most nights anyone could do the job. But there are those nights where you better be d-mn good. And not get nervous easily. It's as much about the mental game as it is the stick 'n rudder stuff.

The regional FO has the OPTION to be less confident/proficient under stress than a single pilot operator. I've known plenty of 121 guys who actually admit that they would be scared to do single pilot piston freight. So, if they are willing to admit it, it must be true.

 

[starvingcfi]

thanks 100LL. that's all i was trying to say. wasn't trying to start a fight.

he's never done it so he has no frame of reference.

 

[Diesel]

NY is not newengland.

NY is some third world country that nobody wants.

 

[starvingcfi]

ha. you're not kidding. i miss new england. love getting to do bos and pwm overnights. feels like i'm home.

more home than ny anyway

 

[Superpilot92]

Not that it really matters but if we were down to mins it was because wx moved in on us when returning to the school. when i was a instructor the flight school i worked at gave us free twin time each month depending on how much we worked so i busted my arse to get as much time as possible of course and when i would go up i would wait till it was a day when the wx wasnt good for instructing and i would go out and shoot approach after approach to better my skills. My point being is that just because someone flys single pilot in wx doesnt really mean shiznit. Anyone flying professionally should be able to fly in any type of wx. Some people dont hold themselves to the standards i try to keep but to say 135 guys are better than 121 guys is just beating your chest. Regional FOs in the RJs do nothing different than pilots in 777. Does that make me better or them better? I dont think either is better each deserves respect as a Professional pilot. My point is i just try to treat people with respect and dont like to talk down about others. Just try and show some respect thats all i am saying. I am sure you are all great pilots.

 

[starvingcfi]

dude. read. please. jesus f*cking christ read.

do me a favor. go back to my first post and read the first 2 sentences. i'm not saying 135 pilots are better than 121 pilots. i'm saying the single pilot 135 job is tougher than the 121 job.

how much flight planning have you done this month? how many days off have you had this month? if you have a problem, who's your union rep? if you don't feel comfortable with something, you've got a more experienced pilot next to you? if you want a cup of coffee, you ask the flight attendant? if you need to take a pi$$, you go to the lav? if you're hand flying, do you use a flight director? fms? got efis? if you're picking up ice, you got a hot wing? when it's hot in the summer, you got A/C?

ok. single pilot 135.
all your own flight planning. no dispatch to do it for you. we were required 13 days off each quarter. 13 days in 3 months. that sometimes became an issue. no union. no one there to help me fly or help with decision-making. no flight attendant. no lav. no flight director. no fms. no efis. old ratty boots to shed the ice. sweating with no A/C in the summer.

ok. read this line.
single pilot 135 in old $hitty airplanes is harder than 121.

did i mention anything about pilot skill? no. read the line again.

jesus. i'm getting another beer.

 

[Superpilot92]

super, you need to stfu, you cant hold a handle to even the n00best of freight dogs here in the NE
go milk your dolphin, d1ckcheese

that was in response mostly to this A$$Clown!!

Starving i agree with you i was responding to this quote. Each job has its ups and downs. I have mucho respect for cargo haulers dont get me wrong and please grab me a beer also!!!

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[starvingcfi]

holy freakin lord!!

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