When is Force Majeure over?

[DarnNearaJet]

Just curious about what is happening with negotiations at Delta. It's hard to believe that management is still crying 9-11 and voiding the pilot contract (no furlough clause, scope) when planes are full and lines are long.

 

[FlyingSig]

The 9-11 Forced Maneur was declared over by an arbitrator. The current forced maneur is due to the war in Iraq (you know, the one that's been over since May). The only part of the working agreement this currently affects is the no furlough clause. The scope/block hours were reset with the code share (CAL/NWA) letter of agreement.

 

[Freight Dog]

Question for FlyingSig, FDJ, General Lee and the Co.


I understand that the arbitrator screwed you guys when the 9/11 FM was declared over by not honoring your no-furlough clause. Is there any other appeal process? I read something about DAL/DCI block hours being used to measure when the furloughees can be brought back. However, with FM being officially declared as over, doesn't this economic downturn fall under the bad economy and as such cannot be used as an excuse to furlough pilots/keep them on furlough?

Hope you guys get recalled soon!

 

[FlyingSig]

The first time FM was declared over by the arbitrator the ruling was made that when RPM's (revenue passenger miles) for a rolling 4 month period were equal or exceed pre-9/11 numbers then recalls must happen. DCI RPM's are included in this number (a small victory but when you consider the reduction in capacity a full RJ will never get the RPM's of a 1/2 full MD88 using DCI numbers really doesn't help until mainline capacity starts to get restored).

The current circumstance beyond the control of the company - or FMII (the war in iraq)- is a seperate event and has a seperate greivance. This greivance focuses on the 250 pilots that were furloughed after FMI was declared over. Currently DALPA is waiting for Delta to respond to the greivance (they have 60 days)... after that it goes to a 5 man system board.

Unfortunatly, there is no appeals process with arbitration. Even is DALPA wins FMII , the other 1060 of us are bound to the RPM crap from FMI.... in other words, I figure at least a few more years. I personally think recalls will start in '05 as retirements will reach a point where additional pilots will be required for current staffing levels. Any growth between now and '05 will also cause a need for additional staffing. But I'm really not counting on getting my job back from the RPM numbers.

 

[Freight Dog]

So much for the no-furlough clause, huh?

 

[CU@OSHKOSH]

forced manure

You got that right brother!

 

[B6Busdriver]

I suspect forced manure will be extended now that we are sending troops to Liberia. Why not? These guys will use any excuse they can.

 

[Publishers]

cure

The best cure for all is that the need comes back for more people, not forcing Delta to have people it does not need.