When good chopper pilots go bad

[Vladimir Lenin]

linky

 

[Timebuilder]

About that avatar.

You are showing that you don't understand the difference between the affairs of God and the affairs of man. If Jesus had been a political figure, he would have been welcomed by the Jews as the Messiah that they had expected to see. Instead, they ignored him becuase he was apolitical. Being a political running mate would be a definite step down from Creator, wouldn't it?

Why not have an avatar that says "Dean/Satan '04"? You'd be much closer to the truth.

What would Jesus drive? I thought it was hilarious when I heard about this so-called religious/environmental group.

He was a capenter. He'd probably drive an F-250 pickup, with the big V8 and some ladder racks. He'd probably get about 15 miles to the gallon.

 

[Typhoon1244]

Why not have an avatar that says "Dean/Satan '04"? You'd be much closer to the truth.

Would somebody find T.B. a job, please??? Maybe behind a pulpit somewhere???

 

[Vladimir Lenin]

What would Jesus drive? .... He'd probably drive an F-250 pickup, with the big V8 and some ladder racks

wrong, TB, of all people you should know this better...

being jesus, he could drive anything he wanted

 

[Timebuilder]

Vladimir, not only could he drive anything He wanted, but He would also choose what was most appropriate for the job, just like the choice of tools He used as a carpenter. Just like modern carpenters aren't driving Yugo's, they are instead driving large, powerful, gas-eating trucks. It's what is appropriate to the task at hand. This takes all of the wind out of the hilarious "What would Jesus drive?" question.

Sorry, Ty. I didn't realize that responding to an avatar that was clearly meant to elicit a response was necessarily a bad thing.

Having been a democrat, and listened to Dean, I think my statement is accurate.

 

[Typhoon1244]

I didn't realize that responding to an avatar that was clearly meant to elicit a response was necessarily a bad thing.

S'okay. I thought it was your usual policy to avoid drawing attention to things that are "meant to elicit a response."

Besides, Satan* is still recovering from all the work he had to do to get W. and Dick in office. I don't think he'll be available to help Dean out this time around.







* ...who doesn't really exist, but I'll play the game!

 

[Vladimir Lenin]

This takes all of the wind out of the hilarious "What would Jesus drive?" question

very good, so jesus is a "Ford truck man" then

yay

 

[EagleRJ]

very good, so jesus is a "Ford truck man" then

yay

Well, Satan is clearly a Chevy guy, so that narrows Jesus down to either Ford or Mopar.

 

[avbug]

so jesus is a "Ford truck man" then

Only if He's coming in a chariot of fire. That would be a Ford Explorer with Firestone tires, I believe.

 

[Timebuilder]

Hilarious answers to a hilarious question. I love it!!

Only if He's coming in a chariot of fire. That would be a Ford Explorer with Firestone tires, I believe.

Naw, that would have to be a Pinto. (avbug is old enough to remember them, I'm sure)

 

[A Squared]

Vladimir, not only could he drive anything He wanted, but He would also choose what was most appropriate for the job, just like the choice of tools He used as a carpenter.

Timebuilder,

It's a shame, you were soooooooooo close to getting it, but you couldn't seem to make that last, cruicial step to grasping the concept. Perhaps I can help. Like you said, he would drive what's *appropriate*. If he's a carpenter, carrying around a half a ton of tools, needing to transport a couple dozen sheets of T-111 on a regular basis, an F-250 would indeed be appropriate. Now if Jesus is an accountant, living in the suburbs, golfing on the weekends, an F-250 is far from *appropriate* to his needs. Our accountant Jesus would probably drive something a litle more modest.

Now, how many F-250's are driven for necessity, and how many are driven for reasons of vanity? I think that thee's an awful lot of F-250 drivers out there that have no real use at all for such a vehicle, and own one merely because it strokes thier ego.

Case in point, there's 2 guys at my company who drive F-350's, not just F-350's but Crew Cab F-350's .... huge behemoths of vehicles. Now, these guys (both pudgy, round, soft looking guys, go figure) just don't have any use for trucks this huge. No outside business, that require it, no hobbies or activities that involve hauling around lots of heavy stuff, no boats or trailers to tow. No, these trucks are pretty exclusively driven as single occupant urban commuter vehicles. Is a F-350 crew cab "most appropriate" to one person driving to work daily on paved city roads?

I think that Jesus would be against pointless wastefullness for the sake of vanity. Would we expect to hear of Jesus using the loaves and fishes to start a food fight with the disciples, spraying the wine around instead of drinking it? No, I don't think so, it wouldn't be *appropriate* use of those resources. I don't think accountant Jesus would commute to work by himself in an F-250. Hell, he'd probably take public transportation, stay in touch with the masses, that sorta thing.

 

[jetexas]

From the article...

Powell has a criminal record, having been arrested for DUI in 1999. Results from blood alcohol tests should be available by Wednesday.

Whew, now THAT's a sloooow lab !!!

 

[Snakum]

Everyone knows the Heavenly Father is a Chrysler man. It says in Genesis that Adman and Eve were "... driven from the garden in a Fury."



Minh

 

[Timebuilder]

Now, how many F-250's are driven for necessity, and how many are driven for reasons of vanity? I think that thee's an awful lot of F-250 drivers out there that have no real use at all for such a vehicle, and own one merely because it strokes thier ego.

I think you meant to say, perhaps, is that I was close to agreeing that we have no personal choice, or a right to have a personal choice, in the vehicles we choose to drive, and that the only vehicle that we can drive in good conscience was the "correct" vehicle for the purpose. Doesn't that sound Orwellian to you?.

The fact that Jesus was a carpenter and not an accountant is fundamental to why it is so funny to hear people ask "what would jesus drive?" They ignored what the most obvious answer would be, the one they are actively trying to eliminate. That shortsightedness, and attempt to bring Jesus into a political discussion, is what makes this funny.

It was not even a part of Jesus' character to tell people what to do with their personal lives, where there is not a question of sin, or to dictate their interaction with their government. Luke 20:25 is a good example:

And He said to them, "Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's."

But you are talking about what you see as squandering resources, such as fuel, or shall we say, seeds? The parable of the sower describes seed falling in all sorts of different places, but only growing well in one situation. This does not mean that the seed should not be sown in other places, because seed is sown at the discretion of the sower. He decides where to sow his seed, for it is his.

We ARE directed to be "good stewards" of the land, and I believe that we are doing so. We are a land built on freedom, and the choice of which vehicle we drive is determined by a host of factors, but in the end the choice is made by us.

It is part of what makes America great.

 

[sf3boy]

If Adam adn Eve left the garden in a Fury III with the 440, they split in style and in a hurry. What a gunboat.

 

[Vladimir Lenin]

that choire boy Timebuilder just won't quit

 

[Timebuilder]

It's Choir, and I have been one for about six years.

Even so, quitting is not something I often do.



Now the 440 Magnum, that was some engine. I had one in a 69 Charger. What a car. It was one of two MoPars I had. The other was a 56 DeSoto fireflite coupe.

Yeah, my pastor likes to tell the story of the Sunday School class where the little boy had drawn a car leaving a lush, jungle like area with two people in the back seat and a obviously older driver.

When asked, he explained that the Bible clearly said that God drove Adam and Eve out of the Garden.

 

[Vladimir Lenin]

It's Choir

nobody's perfect

 

[secks]

nobody's perfect

The irony of someone named "Vladimir Lenin" saying this. But don't worry Vlad, as long as you're around, we'll always remember that nobody's perfect.

 

[A Squared]

I think you meant to say, perhaps, is that I was close to agreeing that we have no personal choice, or a right to have a personal choice, in the vehicles we choose to drive, and that the only vehicle that we can drive in good conscience was the "correct" vehicle for the purpose.

No, absolutely not. and yes I agree that it would be orwellian. You are attempting to put words into my mouth, and assigning me a position I just do not hold. It's amazing how vocally you decry that tactic, yet how quickly you employ it yourself. I support free choice, and that includes automotive choices I may not understand nor agree with. Note that I haven't suggested anything about passing laws, or forcing anyone to do anything.

The point was that, presumabley, Jesus would make moderate, appropriate choices. An F-250 might be an appropriate choice for a carpenter. It is hard to argue that an F-250 is a appropriate choice for your average commuter. I think that's the idea that the "WWJDrive" folks are trying to present;

Jesus would choose appropriately, others should to.

It's a simple concept. You've been stretching pretty hard to evade it.

 

[Timebuilder]

nobody's perfect

Even more important is this: (Romans 3:23)

All have sinned, and fall short of the Glory of God.

That's WHY we need to trust Christ as savior. We canot gain righteousness by our own acts.

 

[skyking1976]

OK...

Jesus would have to have more than 1 vehicle. Isn't Sunday a day of rest? He has to have a toy....

 

[Timebuilder]

You are attempting to put words into my mouth, and assigning me a position I just do not hold. It's amazing how vocally you decry that tactic, yet how quickly you employ it yourself.

First:

I am attempting to figure out what you are trying to say, and I thought a good way of doing so might be to construct a paragraph based on my understanding. I said perhaps and I think you meant to say in my preface. Is that really "putting words in your mouth"?


Second:

Explain what "tactic" you are talking about, and show me how I have "decried" it.

Jesus would choose appropriately, others should to.

Ah. Jesus' choice (which none of us can accurately determine) should guide our choices in motor vehicles.

Now that's an interesting take on it.

Suppose the same Jesus that we are speaking of here had advocated a larger, more robust vehicle to keep His followers safe in crash situations, improving their survivability so they go go forth and do His work? Would that be a valid choice?

Of course it would.

The question which was posed, "what would Jesus drive?" can be answered in a great many ways. He might choose a vehicle for his carpentry job, or he might choose a large SUV or a BUS because He didn't just have 12 disciples hanging around, there were other followers whose names we do not know. Somedays it might be only Him in the vehicle. A disciple that had no family or followers might have an identical vehicle to Jesus' vehicle. Would this mean, in the minds of these activists asking the aforementioned question, that Jesus would rebuke the man for driving an unecessarily large vehicle? From a scriptural standpoint, there is no reason for this assumption.

Where some of us might assume that Jesus would only choose a vehicle that would get good gas mileage or be smaller or be cheaper, we have to accept in this absurd construct that he might be just as likely to choose a large gas guzzler for the personal protection of His disciples in the event of an accident.

One could easily argue, looking at the Palm Sunday procession, that He was the only one riding. Everyone else was walking. A donkey's colt is not an SUV, but it WAS the only vehicle in the procession.

 

[avbug]

If the man could turn water to wine, it's no stretch to suppose that gas mileage is superfluous. Polloution, too.

Yes, I remember pintos. Good gravy, pintos weren't that long ago. I'm old enough to remember the car, to own the car, and to remember and own the horse.

Pinto to me is a horse. Very low poloution, reasonable mileage, keeps you warm at night, and shoes are cheaper than tires. Never needs paint (but always appreciates one as a stall mate), batteries never go dead, capable of self-replication, and unlike modern yuppie scum onstar garbage, it really does know the way home.

Made by Jesus for native Americans and folks who like decent horseflesh. Can't be beaten in this lifetime, or the next.

 

[Timebuilder]

Never had a pinto, but I did have a wonderful roan mare.

Nothing like a good horse.

 

[Vladimir Lenin]

speaking of ford, looks like it may need JC's help purty soon...

linky

 

[Timebuilder]

"Despite the latest downgrade, Ford should have no problem selling its corporate bonds to raise money because its credit ratings remain in the investment-grade area, which the bond market considers to have a low chance of default."

I guess it isn't quite as bad as it might seem.

 

[flewa72]

I heard Jesus was a Honda guy. Something about them being all in one Accord.

 

[Typhoon1244]

Ba-dum-dum...

 

[N2264J]

it all makes perfect sense

...so jesus is a "Ford truck man" then...

The F series pickups have been and still are the most
popular vehicles sold in this country for years. I have a 1986
F-150 myself.

It's good to know that I share the same taste in utility
vehicles with the Lord.