What's your standard yearly raise

[7xpilot]

what is your standard yearly cost of living raise. Mine ranges from 3.5% to 5% with 4% being the norm.

 

[maxell]

3.88%. For me...

 

[rice]

Raise??

If your "raise" is nothing more than a COLA is it really a raise??
Seems to me that if I got a 3% bump from '05 to '06, all my employer did was give me the same buying power I had last year. Not really a raise in my book but I suppose I should just be happy to have a decent paying gig in the first place.

 

[LegacyDriver]

No cost of living increase here.

Considering my expenses have doubled since I took the job one would think that would be a good idea...

Not complaining at this point. Just glad to have a job.

Also, when you consider PURCHASING POWER you need inflation + tax rate to stay even. So 3% isn't going to keep you even since Uncle Sugar gets 25%-45% of it. You're still falling behind by the difference...

 

[Gulfstream 200]

If your "raise" is nothing more than a COLA is it really a raise??
Seems to me that if I got a 3% bump from '05 to '06, all my employer did was give me the same buying power I had last year. Not really a raise in my book but I suppose I should just be happy to have a decent paying gig in the first place.

YO Rice!

did the COL only go up 3% where you live?

you need to talk to my home oil company. that one was 65%.

the utility co. is talking about 22% raises in rates.

property taxes up 5%

Yeah, Im not too happy with the "COL" raise Im looking at either...yeah, maybe COL in Alabama...



that "Im just happy to have a job" does not work too well most of the time.


anyhow - happy freakin' New Year.

 

[Gumby]

If your "raise" is nothing more than a COLA is it really a raise??
Seems to me that if I got a 3% bump from '05 to '06, all my employer did was give me the same buying power I had last year. Not really a raise in my book but I suppose I should just be happy to have a decent paying gig in the first place.

Maybe he doesent know your the bestest CLOWN PUNCHER money can buy?

 

[LegacyDriver]

that "Im just happy to have a job" does not work too well most of the time.

Considering how much hell I went through a couple of years ago..... And considering the industry I left is going to hell in a handbasket.... "Happy to have a job" and be off 22 of the last 24 days is working just fine for me.

YMMV of course.

 

[rice]

Maybe he doesent know your the bestest CLOWN PUNCHER money can buy?

I thought EVERYONE knew that I am the King of all CLown Punchers!!!!

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Maybe he doesent know your the bestest CLOWN PUNCHER money can buy?

I know!! I even gave Mr. grumpy rice my avatar, but he has not used it!!!

 

[rice]

YO Rice!

did the COL only go up 3% where you live?

you need to talk to my home oil company. that one was 65%.

the utility co. is talking about 22% raises in rates.

property taxes up 5%

Yeah, Im not too happy with the "COL" raise Im looking at either...yeah, maybe COL in Alabama...


G200,
You know my COL went up way more than 3% but "the man" doesn't seem to think so. Company line is that most raises avg'd in the 3% range this year. (Total BS IMO) but what's a brutha gonna do?
Guess its time for greener grass.

 

[Rick1128]

RAISE! When was the last time you were tested for the use of recreational pharmacuicals?

 

[HMR]

Considering how much hell I went through a couple of years ago..... And considering the industry I left is going to hell in a handbasket.... "Happy to have a job" and be off 22 of the last 24 days is working just fine for me.

I know you're "Happy to have a job". Imagine the happiness getting paid a fair wage would bring.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

YO Rice!

did the COL only go up 3% where you live?

you need to talk to my home oil company. that one was 65%.

the utility co. is talking about 22% raises in rates.

property taxes up 5%

Yeah, Im not too happy with the "COL" raise Im looking at either...yeah, maybe COL in Alabama...


G200,
You know my COL went up way more than 3% but "the man" doesn't seem to think so. Company line is that most raises avg'd in the 3% range this year. (Total BS IMO) but what's a brutha gonna do?
Guess its time for greener grass.

I know man, I was just feeling the same pain, and the same lines, also. I hate that COL thing. 3% just does not do it these days. To me 3% is essentially taking a 1.5% pay cut.

And yes, before I sound too grumpy.....it could be much much worse.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Considering how much hell I went through a couple of years ago..... And considering the industry I left is going to hell in a handbasket.... "Happy to have a job" and be off 22 of the last 24 days is working just fine for me.

YMMV of course.

dont compare yourself to a regional airplane pilot.....unless thats what you really are...

 

[AA717driver]

I like the line the suits give us: "you're getting industry standard for this part of the country" or "you're free to test the waters". Test this, you empty suit! TC

 

[LegacyDriver]

dont compare yourself to a regional airplane pilot.....unless thats what you really are...

That's all any Legacy pilot is. That's the downside to this airplane. Employers think (or rather, *KNOW*) they can hire 100 ERJ drivers to replace you if you quit.

I made about $47K at the Regionals. Making $53K-56K and having 8 days off in a row every time you come home (and more even many times) is a dream compared to flying ERJs six legs a day all day every day... It's actually sad, but I'm not exactly overworked and my boss NEVER bothers me about anything. In terms of QOL it's great. Salary...not so great, but I'm competing against every ERJ driver in the world so I'm at a major disadvantage (and my boss knows it).

If this were a Falcon, G-IV, Citation X or any other non-airline jet I bet the salary would be double. But then again, I don't know what Net Jets and Options guys make on similar equipment so that could deflate stuff.

 

[rice]

That's all any Legacy pilot is. That's the downside to this airplane. Employers think (or rather, *KNOW*) they can hire 100 ERJ drivers to replace you if you quit......................

Salary...not so great, but I'm competing against every ERJ driver in the world so I'm at a major disadvantage (and my boss knows it).

If this were a Falcon, G-IV, Citation X or any other non-airline jet I bet the salary would be double....................

LD,
Not trying to bust your nuts but thats just another reason why your aircraft is a WSCOD!!!!! It will always be thought of as an ERJ because thats what it really is and there are thousands of guys willing to do it for the pay you are getting.
You're right about the Falcon, Gulfstream, and GLEX jobs, they do pay much better but you'll never realize it until you shed the WSCOD and move on to the next type rating even if you start off in the right seat for a while.
And do yourself a favor and stop referencing the Frac's payscales, even with NJA's new contract and CS supposedly matching it, they are all still way below what a decent corp. job should pay for heavy jet.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

I agree with Rice 100%.

Also LD, you (or your boss) seem to have pegged your worth at 55K and you simply accept that. Its your business but 53K/yr as a PIC on a large corp aircraft is downright out of the loop. You may have lots of days off, but you might as well have another job on those days at that wage. wheres the QOL at 53K?

Has your boss actually TOLD you he could replace you with any dork RJ pilot out there today? or have you just assumed that...I guess just ANY of them could do your job as well as you? If I was you I would think -- NO.

an airplane is an airplane, any company could shed their 150K+ Gulfsteam pilots and replace them with 75K willing pilots from one of the hundreds of resumes they get each year --- but they dont.

It just sounds like you have talked yourself out of any more worth than a regional pilot (+ maybe 10%). My far fetched guess is that your boss has wondered why, but is pretty darn happy you work so cheap. Nobody just "gives" people large pay raises.

You're not a regional pilot or a fractional pilot, why compare yourself to the two? that crowd feels rich and lofty (rising ship thing) making 60% the salary they should for the equipment...

(Oh, before perdiem.....)

 

[HMR]

***EDIT*** Nevermind, Rice and G200 said it better than I.

BTW- I didn't realise that my buddies flying PT91 King Air's make more than PT91 Legacy drivers. Who'd a thought?

 

[LegacyDriver]

Don't worry guys, I know you aren't busting my nuts and I totally agree with what you are saying.

However, remember my background. I sorta' have a reputation (unfair or otherwise--I won't debate that point--but one all the same) to shed before I can shed this type for another one. I'm not exactly getting my doors blown off with offers to go elsewhere.

In fact it's the one type thing that seems to cause problems. Nobody wants to hire a guy to drive a Falcon or G-IV unless he already has a type. At least that seems to be the case.

Now if someone can find me a job in Texas hey...I'm there baby.



In the meantime I am getting decent annual raises and I'll be at $75K shortly. Not the greatest but I don't fly that much so perhaps I have finally reached "The Fourth Phase of Aviation." Though yes I have heard it said that if one doesn't like it here they are free to leave. There are so many people in line to replace us that I would never consider that an idle threat. The flip side is that loyalty is returned. Nobody ever gets "released" or "fired" even though it seems we are overstaffed so that's something. The boss doesn't get bent out of shape over stupid stuff either unlike the people I worked for before. That in and of itself is worth a lot to me... But I need a raise...BADLY.